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This might be a one-up question but I was thinking today ...as we got 10" snow yesterday...melting today so the mud.... anyway was using the time inside to think about summer. We are going to 2 different remote cabins in northern Maine on lakes each for a week. I'll take the camper as one cabin requires a 1/3 mile walk in from the end of a log road and I would like to keep some stuff in the fridge (beer!) cold and there is the possibility of wandering around up there thereafter ... might find some nice boon docking.

We've done many trips to the North Maine Woods... private top 1/4 of the State of Maine... logging companies and very large landowners. One has to buy road access permit. Follow the rules as it is wild up there and no way too extradite oneself other then by your own equipment. I have to admit that when I was first up there in my new eagle 2011, I went places that now I would think twice and I had less stuff to get me out. Which brings me to the question I have. There were a number of log roads, that after driving 60 miles one found oneself staring at a flooded road and a beaver dam. It was either backtrack or take the canoe off the truck... paddle the road testing for depth and then be able to scout the beaver dam and the possibility of driving on it across the stream.... yea not too bright but apparently after actually being successful at the other side which was about a 1/4 mile... we ran into some logging guys who didn't think it was out of the ordinary. Just a thumbs up and a wave.

The depth of the water was about 4" above the bottom of the door... the crest wave, which is important, was kept just below the hood. I had put a rubber hose on my differential breather and ran it up between the cab/bed.... but I did not think about the water getting in through the axil. A few years later I paid the price for that mistake.

The question is now: I see trucks with the snorkel but what about the bearings and differential? (yup I got water in there). I see shots of WTW folks crossing streams and such which look as deep as what I have crossed. Are there preventative things I should do ? (seals etc). I might have cleared up the question some may have harbored if I was nuts or not..... I have done things looking back .... well maybe I shouldn't have tried that! (I hate turning around).
 

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There is a common practice to route a hose upward from differential breather to a high point under hood and often to the gas fill door.

We spend a few summers in the North Woods above Moosehead lake.

Glad you only had some mechanical damage...did not get stranded.

Like you said, big country, no logging crews in August...right ?

David Graves
 
Well last time there in August there were many huge logging transfer trucks .... do not get in their way.... maybe no logging ...not sure. but never go near there inboard or worse...moose season.... it is crazy as there are very few places to boondock considering how big an area and the hunters goo in mass... stake out a site weeks before and then it is party time.... Not my cup of tea. Black fly season is to be experienced.... If you haver been to Newfoundland or Labrador then you have a good idea what it is like.

I had the hose vent for the differential but concerned about water getting in elsewhere.
 
Here's a tame version.... of suddenly seeing a logging truck coming (btw one should have the latest version of CB ...the new type $$$ that the drivers use... one is expected to announce where you are)

https://youtu.be/HWP6za61yXE
 
Howdy

I always run my headlights on when in the woods also....but I have older truck with no DLR.

The logging trucks on Vacouver Island BC are easily twice that big...dedicated off road rigs.....V16 with water cooled brakes.....

Jesus, it is like encountering a locomotive coming down the woods road.....strictly one way and they have good communication with each other.

I once saw a parked truck and backed our camper up to it for a photo op from the drivers seat.....could barely see the roof vent.

We miss N England and may get out there next Fall.

Best Regards

David Graves
 
YUP! But on the Dempster...you can see then coming ... on the forest roads they can come outta nowhere... I've had a few of those ... better check my shorts... episodes...
 
Hoping for "back to normal" ... If we can all just behave! and be smart! ... I can't wait to wander around again. (a very BIG lesson: "you don't know what you got till it's gone")i
But ........................................................... how about axils?..... will water get6 in on stream crossings? Is it only the breather to set right?
Bearings?
 
Do the loggers there take the weekend off like the loggers here? Axles, diffs and transmission and transfer case all need to be run up. Not much you can do about wheel bearings but hope the seals are good. I try my best to avoid water as I really don't like to pull everything apart and look for water.
 
Thanks Craig I will look for there other breathers.... Maine is 'different' there are a lot of independents and folks that may want to do a load when they want.... that said it is always best not to think there is clear sailing. I have encountered empty logging trucks doing 60mph going somewhere on Sunday. When I go back again I will get the new "radio" (not C:cool:... hate the expense but sure beats being a bug on a windshield!
 
On the bearing issue...I am sure you know the old adage about boat trailer bearings....if they are highway speeds hot and you back into lovely cool lake water the moisture is "sucked" in by the temperature difference as the hub grease suddenly contracts and water is brought in through the seal.

I try to keep my hubs out of being submerged but then I have never be a "wheeler".

Sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do......but only sometimes.
 
When I lived in Florida we spent much time driving my Jeep through 2-3' of water, sometimes for hundreds of yards. It is a good idea to extend the breather tubes for your axles, transmission and transfer case up high. You can also remove the fill plugs for your differentials and transfer case and if a frothy milky fluid comes pouring out you know you have water contamination.

For my RAM I will be ordering the ARB kit below. The manifold will accept four tubes although the kit only comes with two. Extra tubes and fittings are available for purchase.

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Thanks for both of the above suggestions. I have wondered about what method would make sense and perhaps go with a pre-masde tube breather. The hot bearings is an issue that probably can only be solved by waiting for them to cool off before diving in.
Again thanks for the tips.
 
buckland said:
Here's a tame version.... of suddenly seeing a logging truck coming (btw one should have the latest version of CB ...the new type $$$ that the drivers use... one is expected to announce where you are)

https://youtu.be/HWP6za61yXE
What exactly are you referring to with the "New" CB? I was up in Northwoods last year and REALLY want to go back. I have and had CB but never heard any trucks... maybe that's why?
 
They are called Micromobile as well as GMRS https://midlandusa.com/goodbye-cb-radio-hello-micromobile/

The North Maine Woods is unique ... a privately owned area of a State that at one point was nearly 1/2 the land area. Now it is down to 25% or so. Development is always circling like carrion seekers... along the borders. Lake front is the thing.... A few conservationists, like the owner of Burt's Bee products have tried to out bid these developers and buy large swaths that become available. Trying to keep it wild and not filled with McMansions. Win some and lose some. As it has gotten more discovered... well you know the story.

Know these rules https://www.northmainewoods.org/maps/20-information.htmlhard copy mat

Also ... offline maps essential (best we have found is Maps.me)

Never go in without a hardcopy map Delorme is the best Maine Atlas. Log roads come and go yearly.

Be sure to have a way to get yourself out of a pickle.... there is no road rescue service.

Bring extra fuel. Log roads look like 30 miles on a map might be 60 miles due to many things.... like having to backtrack.

As to be expected the southern boundary (the Golden Road area) is highly used.

Don't forget Mt Katadin https://baxterstatepark.org
They have very strict rules there too (no dogs... not even keep in camper)

I have been roaming around up there since 1975 and feel lucky that I had the chance.
 
even with good venting, water seems to find a way in. Best bet is to drain and refile after deep water crossing when done with the trip.
 
buckland said:
They are called Micromobile as well as GMRS https://midlandusa.com/goodbye-cb-radio-hello-micromobile/

The North Maine Woods is unique ... a privately owned area of a State that at one point was nearly 1/2 the land area. Now it is down to 25% or so. Development is always circling like carrion seekers... along the borders. Lake front is the thing.... A few conservationists, like the owner of Burt's Bee products have tried to out bid these developers and buy large swaths that become available. Trying to keep it wild and not filled with McMansions. Win some and lose some. As it has gotten more discovered... well you know the story.

Know these rules https://www.northmainewoods.org/maps/20-information.htmlhard copy mat

Also ... offline maps essential (best we have found is Maps.me)

Never go in without a hardcopy map Delorme is the best Maine Atlas. Log roads come and go yearly.

Be sure to have a way to get yourself out of a pickle.... there is no road rescue service.

Bring extra fuel. Log roads look like 30 miles on a map might be 60 miles due to many things.... like having to backtrack.

As to be expected the southern boundary (the Golden Road area) is highly used.

Don't forget Mt Katadin https://baxterstatepark.org
They have very strict rules there too (no dogs... not even keep in camper)

I have been roaming around up there since 1975 and feel lucky that I had the chance.
Are truckers going to GMRS there?
 
Last time through the gate I was asked if I had one. Terrain there would suggest it is all that would work..... cell ... there is none.
 
Merely moving the vent up may not always be enough. Think about how long that new vent hose is compared to it's ID. Even in a fluid as viscous as air that long, small hose will be a flow restriction . I think if deep water crossings are a regular feature of your driving that the vent hose size should be increased to as large as is practical.

I don't know if the newer trans' are the same or not, but how Toyota vents their 80's era manual trans doesn't lend it self to easily extending the vent. Some domestics are no better, others have something similar to the part below.

Some Toyota vent fittings have a check valve in them. Debatable whether or not this is a good thing.

I recently stumbled onto this fitting for extended breather/vent hoses: https://www.amazon.com/Dorman-924-284-Axle-Vent/dp/B06XHBY38X
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