Best Full Size Truck For Ruff Country Travel (W/ A Pop Up Camper)

that thing looks like a merchandising truck for an energy drink or something.

Course, after I got it entirely caked in mud I'm sure I could suffer through ownership of it :)
 
I was going to chime in, went out and looked at my owners manual on slide in campers, referred me to another document. But, thats when I noticed my 7/70 additional warranty (dodge threw it in for free when I bought the truck) expired last week. :mad:

Don't follow me too close, something is bound to break now.
 
Real men have longer .......uh beds.

I've had both long and short beds, and other than parking I'd opt for a long bed with the extra cab. I know toyota makes them. Not sure you can get that in a 4x4 though and that's what I opt for. I have the GMC extra cab with 6.5' bed and the truck is still on the long side for a 4x4. I need the extra seating more than I need the extra 1.5' of bed. It all depend what you need from a truck. I thinks it's BS to say a real truck has to have an 8' bed. A real truck should be able to go to war or to work in the snow or mud, that means 4X4. The longer bed limits the places a 4x4 can go, as does my extra cab.
 
"Holy habberdash Batman, this is an old thread"

Titan and Tundra <--clicky will both have V8 Cummin's diesel engines soon... But I figure you already got a new truck. This could help somebody browsing this ole' thread!

(5.0-liter Cummins diesel V8 engine w/ 300HP & 500lbft torque)

Kilroy
 
craig333 said:
I was going to chime in, went out and looked at my owners manual on slide in campers, referred me to another document. But, thats when I noticed my 7/70 additional warranty (dodge threw it in for free when I bought the truck) expired last week.
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Don't follow me too close, something is bound to break now.
Bumper snicker seen on an MGB:
"The parts falling off this car are of the finest British Manufacture"

Best truck for ruff country travel is still too open, best truck for what specific type of terrain, type of non rough country use, etc., etc., etc. needs to be defined first. And then there won't likely be any one specific clear winner.
For me, currently it is a CTD with the camper and an '84 yota Xcab without. That is subject to change.
 
My turn again I guess. Me the best off road truck I ever had (not counting the rigs I drove when I was in the military) was my old Bureau of Land Management 4x4 1980 Dodge Power Wagon, with a stick, a wonderful granny gear and a long bed-to carry spare tires, jerry cans, lots of wood and other "un stuck" gear ---but again not much fun in city traffic, but I had to go out in places in the back country most people don't and I could at 1 or 2 mph. Since I could never afford two vehicles, I had a personal long bed/w/camper shell 4x4 Toyota for 20 years that got me every where in the back country I needed to go. Today I have a 1999 4x4 F-150/Granby stick combination with special made rear springs that also does me well. If I had to buy something new, it would be a long bed F-250 4x4 with a modified 4 wheel package, but any good Chevy or Dodge with the right equipment and the RIGHT DIVER could also do the job. Diesel I not sure anymore, today it cost more than regular gas, and with all the new eco-gas trucks, I could go either way. Hey-what ever rocks your boat "do it!" Me thinks the driver many times is more important the what is driven-My dads' old 58 Chevy long bed-stick with a good granny gear or my 1980 VW could go anywhere!

Smoke
 
Smokecreek1 said:
My turn again I guess. Me the best off road truck I ever had (not counting the rigs I drove when I was in the military) was my old Bureau of Land Management 4x4 1980 Dodge Power Wagon, with a stick, a wonderful granny gear and a long bed-to carry spare tires, jerry cans, lots of wood and other "un stuck" gear ---but again not much fun in city traffic, but I had to go out in places in the back country most people don't and I could at 1 or 2 mph. Since I could never afford two vehicles, I had a personal long bed/w/camper shell 4x4 Toyota for 20 years that got me every where in the back country I needed to go. Today I have a 1999 4x4 F-150/Granby stick combination with special made rear springs that also does me well. If I had to buy something new, it would be a long bed F-250 4x4 with a modified 4 wheel package, but any good Chevy or Dodge with the right equipment and the RIGHT DIVER could also do the job. Diesel I not sure anymore, today it cost more than regular gas, and with all the new eco-gas trucks, I could go either way. Hey-what ever rocks your boat "do it!" Me thinks the driver many times is more important the what is driven-My dads' old 58 Chevy long bed-stick with a good granny gear or my 1980 VW could go anywhere!

Smoke
Had a sudden thought-what ever you buy make sure it has a skid plate on it--they don't come stock anymore! When I bought my F 150 I asked the salesman if it had a skid plate and he didn't know, we looked it did not so had to order it special. I was so used to my government rigs and the Toyota coming stock with them on, i never thought about it-but at the last moment I asked and Am I glad I did-so check because times change!

Smoke
 
Best depends on what you do and where you go. I am an honest 4 wheeler, only really need it once a year though I use it more often. So I want a truck for the rest of the year to. I have camped on Slick Rock road since 1965 with the Stockton Motorcycle Club. Road has changed a lot over the years, the area called the ladder I do not go on anymore just too rough. Search on youtube we camp close to the ladder always a good show. +1 on skid plates and bars or rock sliders.

My Tundra w/camper on Slick Rock road.


The outhouse on the same road.
 
Don't know about best, but I'm pretty happy with my Silverado 3500 HD. Lots of torque (765 lb-ft) at low rpm (1,600) and 397 hp has made for a very capable off road vehicle with the Grandby in the back. The gearing seems right also. Doesn't take a lot of gas peddle to make it move up and over hills or through washes or softsand making it less likely to break traction. This last time out I found a jeep trail my wife finally said we had no business on. ;-) Told her at least now I know her limits. The only reason I turned around was because it was too narrow to get through a couple of boulders because of my size.
 
Smokecreek1 said:
Had a sudden thought-what ever you buy make sure it has a skid plate on it--they don't come stock anymore! When I bought my F 150 I asked the salesman if it had a skid plate and he didn't know, we looked it did not so had to order it special. I was so used to my government rigs and the Toyota coming stock with them on, i never thought about it-but at the last moment I asked and Am I glad I did-so check because times change!

Smoke
That's the sad thing. Stuff that should come stock on a 4x4 you gotta either buy a "package", order special from OEM or do an add on "mod". Went through the same thing years ago with my Ranger pickup.
 
Skid plate on my Tundra is pretty much just thin sheet metal, not worth much other than looks to be honest with you...

billharr - now that's what we have a FWC for eh? Nice video sir!
 
Sadly the Titan and Tundra diesels will only come with auto transmissions. Way too unreliable for my travels. These days only full size with a manual is Dodge Cummins. Hopefully the Jeep Wrangler Pick-Up diesel will arrive with a manual trans. But hell....by then, the Tesla 4wd 1/2 ton commercial pickup will be a reality. 500 miles range, full torque from 1 RPM to 16,000 RPM, and I can drive it for free anywhere in the USA using Tesla's solar powered Super Chargers. Oh yeah, only 14 moving parts! My Model S has only 9 moving parts but it's only 2wd.
 
Looks like they are planning on using the F150 as the drivetrain for the Tesla truck, yes?
 
KILR0Y said:
Looks like they are planning on using the F150 as the drivetrain for the Tesla truck, yes?
Not at all. The only reference ever made to Ford F150 was Elon mentioning the F150 as best selling truck. Tesla would never use a transmission nor transfer case. Thanks to Tesla's full torque from 1 to 16,000 RPM only one gear is used, no transfer case needed. Extremely strong regenerative breaking on all four wheels will be perfect for descent control off road. There will be a front and rear motor of around 300 to 400 HP each. Under side of bed will be batteries. Suspension will be fully adjustable for any load. I've been throwing some comments towards the engineering dept. to be sure and have plenty of suspension travel and use smaller wheels to allow for higher profile tires. Tesla is very open to public comment and even makes timely replies, generally same or next day. Try to get Ford or GM to actually call you back and discuss product, no way. None of the above is in stone but all a likely scenario. It will be about 4 years away at least.

I've had my Model S now for 10 months and 17K miles. It has been flawless. I charge at home for about $3 to go 285 miles. On the road I can charge at the nicely located Tesla chargers for free. It takes only 20 minutes or so due to the 120KW charging. Chargers already installed to take me from Mexico to Canada, and from California to NY. I'll never again buy an internal explosion vehicle. I'd rather pay a few more bucks to support USA made clean products than to donate thousands a year to polluting oil and the required foreign wars, leukemia, cancer etc....sorry, ranting here ;)

Top that off, an ICE motor is attempting to self destruct from the moment you fire it up. It wants to literally explode. Cooling systems, oil system etc. try to delay the day that the final explosion happens. An electric motors is happy to spin forever, it is smiling the whole time. Tesla maintenance is brake pads and wiper blades.

Image below is from 4wd Model X SUV.
 

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I remember watching an 'American' To Gear where they raced a Tesla with an American made muscle car (Corvette Monte-carlo I think) and the tesla won! Cool looking car for sure...
 
I'll try not to go any farther off topic of this thread but you can go on youtube and see Tesla race and beat practically every USA muscle and foreign exotic car you choose. Tesla P85 does 0 to 60 in 3.9 seconds: Dodge Viper vs. Tesla:




To get this thread back on track. Since we are talking rough country and since much of my travels takes me far from pavement, one of my most important requirements is a manual trans. I have seen auto trans' have spontaneous and complete failure with zero warning. Especially on pickups carrying weight, an auto trans will be your most complicated, most likely to fail leaving you stranded part of your vehicle. Whereas an auto can fail with zero warning, a manual trans nearly never fails and if it does you would very most likely have had thousands of miles of a noisy bearing warning you. I am an ex pro mechanic so I end up fixing a lot of people's failures in some pretty far out places, making due with whatever we can use to help the vehicle limp home.

#1 most common failure that I see leaving a vehicle completely un-driveable in the wilds? An auto trans. Solution? Manual. Since we are talking full size, this leaves you only with a Dodge Cummins.

#2 most common failure I have seen in the back country is overloading a rated payload combined with suspension modifications. You name it broken springs, exploded airbags, airbags where the brackets or u-bolts have failed, broken drive shaft joints, burned out rear axles.....etc. Solution: Keep it stock (the professional engineers who rigorously test their design with thousands of rough miles using many vehicles know what they are saying when they rate say a truck at 1300 pounds payload), and keep it under payload. If I want to carry a pop-top and all my crap with me, I better get a 3/4 ton. Plus, a mini-truck or 1/2 that is over payload will not stop well in an emergency. I might save a few bucks on a 1/2 ton, but I may lose my life in the deal.

Keep it stock. Last trip to Saline Valley the South Pass road was particularly bad with lots of surprise washouts. A fellow there had an F150 with only a shell on it. He had a very expensive front coil suspension mod and oversize tires. I saw this guy driving in to camp and I am like WTF, look how weird the front camber is changing as he drives! Well, the added leverage of the extended control arms and the added weight of the oversize tires was pulling off the suspension from the chassis brackets. The dude was about to have his front wheels and everything attached to them rip off at 50 mph on washboard! I pointed this out to him and offered my help. Upon inspection, we could see that the 1/2 ton chassis to suspension brackets are absurdly weak for the job he was expecting them to do. The mounting bolts, every last one of them, holding the control arms in place had loosened and the bolt holes were oval and enlarged! All I could really do was to tighten the crap out of the bolts with a cheater and he drove out very slowly. This guy's F150 had a Martin Crawler which was breaking his u-joints, oversize tires and off-set wheels wiping out his bearings. He told me the thousands he spent on this truck in mods. As far as I am concerned, I wouldn't trust a truck like that 10 feet off the pavement. With all the money he spent, he could have easily had a 3/4T.

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When there is an electric truck that has 300+ mile range while towing 10,000lbs I might look at one but doubt I could afford it. I think those electric cars are great but still not within reach for most.
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I'd agree to keep things fairly stock or buy a bigger truck than you think you need. For my money and use I see no reason to look at a 250/2500 since a 350/3500 is only a few hundred more and you've got some decent payload and running gear to work with. My current rig is slightly modified but only because it's old tech and I don't want to try and afford a newer one. I've kept the mods fairly tame and don't plan on going further. So far it's been one of the most reliable trucks I've ever had. :)

I'll have to disagree on the auto tranny tho...Yes they can be a big liability but the newer ones are much better than those of just a few years ago. The biggest issue is heat. This is where a few simple mods like a bigger cooler and temp gauge will help. And if the truck is worth it...when it does go out (clutches need replacement too) take it to a good shop and spend the money to repair it right. The worse thing to do is get a "factory rebuild". I've got 154K on my factory tranny and its been worked hard. Regular service, a bigger cooler, a gauge, and a decent chip with better shift points and TC lockup has contributed to it's life. I know few people who have this many miles in what is usually considered a pos of a tranny.
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generubin said:
Sadly the Titan and Tundra diesels will only come with auto transmissions. Way too unreliable for my travels. These days only full size with a manual is Dodge Cummins. Hopefully the Jeep Wrangler Pick-Up diesel will arrive with a manual trans. But hell....by then, the Tesla 4wd 1/2 ton commercial pickup will be a reality. 500 miles range, full torque from 1 RPM to 16,000 RPM, and I can drive it for free anywhere in the USA using Tesla's solar powered Super Chargers. Oh yeah, only 14 moving parts! My Model S has only 9 moving parts but it's only 2wd.
Today's new automatic transmissions are technically advanced and far more reliable than the old manual transmissions. That's why many manufacturers are not even offering them anymore. I have seen many Ford's and Chevy's with 200k + miles that have pulled heavy loads and never had any problems with the automatic.
 

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