Barko1
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After camping in big bend where no ground fires were allowed I starting thinking I need a fire pan. Any suggestions?
Fire Pans?
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brett13
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Aluminum garbage can cover? Also, I'm curious: would that ban allow a fire if in a pan?
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Barko1
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Aluminum garbage can cover? Also, I'm curious: would that ban allow a fire if in a pan?
I'm not really sure, I guess I'l have to check with the rangers. I imagine they don't want ground damage and ashes. Little grills are allowed.
I'm not really sure, I guess I'l have to check with the rangers. I imagine they don't want ground damage and ashes. Little grills are allowed.
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Barko1
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I'm not really sure, I guess I'l have to check with the rangers. I imagine they don't want ground damage and ashes. Little grills are allowed.
The park was quick to reply:
What you are asking about is acceptable. The wording of the regulations on
the website may need to be changed, but you may have a charcoal fire as
long as the charcoal is contained in a grill or firepan [not just in a fire
ring on the ground].
So perhaps the garbage can lid would work but mine are all plastic
The park was quick to reply:
What you are asking about is acceptable. The wording of the regulations on
the website may need to be changed, but you may have a charcoal fire as
long as the charcoal is contained in a grill or firepan [not just in a fire
ring on the ground].
So perhaps the garbage can lid would work but mine are all plastic
After camping in big bend where no ground fires were allowed I starting thinking I need a fire pan. Any suggestions?
I use fire pans on river trips and almost all permited rivers now require them. Most river regulations require an elevated fire pan of around 250 sq inches with a three inch lip. Some rivers also require fire blanket under the pan to contain ash spillage.
Some rivers allow smaller pans and for years the standard for a fire pan was an metal oil drain pan. This pan has a larger lip and contains the ash better than a garbage can lid. Pretty cheap and will last for a while. Elevate it on rocks or crushed cans to avoid scorching the soil and bring your own wood and carry out your ash for leave no trace camping.
Dsrtrat
I use fire pans on river trips and almost all permited rivers now require them. Most river regulations require an elevated fire pan of around 250 sq inches with a three inch lip. Some rivers also require fire blanket under the pan to contain ash spillage.
Some rivers allow smaller pans and for years the standard for a fire pan was an metal oil drain pan. This pan has a larger lip and contains the ash better than a garbage can lid. Pretty cheap and will last for a while. Elevate it on rocks or crushed cans to avoid scorching the soil and bring your own wood and carry out your ash for leave no trace camping.
Dsrtrat
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The park was quick to reply:
What you are asking about is acceptable. The wording of the regulations on
the website may need to be changed, but you may have a charcoal fire as
long as the charcoal is contained in a grill or firepan [not just in a fire
ring on the ground].
So perhaps the garbage can lid would work but mine are all plastic
A charcoal fire really isn't a campfire, is it?
What you are asking about is acceptable. The wording of the regulations on
the website may need to be changed, but you may have a charcoal fire as
long as the charcoal is contained in a grill or firepan [not just in a fire
ring on the ground].
So perhaps the garbage can lid would work but mine are all plastic
A charcoal fire really isn't a campfire, is it?
brett13
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Here you go, a firepan on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Coyote-Galvanized-Firepan/dp/B00030NLIA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296506680&sr=8-1
Compared to an oil drain pan on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Plews-75-751-General-Purpose-Utility/dp/B000G78P8G/ref=pd_sbs_sg_3
http://www.amazon.com/Coyote-Galvanized-Firepan/dp/B00030NLIA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296506680&sr=8-1
Compared to an oil drain pan on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Plews-75-751-General-Purpose-Utility/dp/B000G78P8G/ref=pd_sbs_sg_3
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Barko1
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Here you go, a firepan on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Coyote-Galvanized-Firepan/dp/B00030NLIA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296506680&sr=8-1
Compared to an oil drain pan on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Plews-75-751-General-Purpose-Utility/dp/B000G78P8G/ref=pd_sbs_sg_3
Or a feed pan http://www.amazon.com/Little-Giant13-Quart-Galvanized-GP13/dp/B000FJX8C8/ref=pd_sbs_sg_4
$10 delivered
I could drain the oil, feed the dogs, and cook up some dinner
http://www.amazon.com/Coyote-Galvanized-Firepan/dp/B00030NLIA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296506680&sr=8-1
Compared to an oil drain pan on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Plews-75-751-General-Purpose-Utility/dp/B000G78P8G/ref=pd_sbs_sg_3
Or a feed pan http://www.amazon.com/Little-Giant13-Quart-Galvanized-GP13/dp/B000FJX8C8/ref=pd_sbs_sg_4
$10 delivered
I could drain the oil, feed the dogs, and cook up some dinner
Phird05
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After camping in big bend where no ground fires were allowed I starting thinking I need a fire pan. Any suggestions?
Any of the rafting/boating sites sell great fire pans.
nrsweb.com
downriverequip.com
I hope this helps.
Paul
Any of the rafting/boating sites sell great fire pans.
nrsweb.com
downriverequip.com
I hope this helps.
Paul
craig333
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I have a propane campfire. Works really nice. Last time I was in area I couldn't have a fire (allowed but way too windy to risk a wood fire) I was freezing my ass off and guess what? I forgot I had it along
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Barko1
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Any of the rafting/boating sites sell great fire pans.
nrsweb.com
downriverequip.com
I hope this helps.
Paul
I'm sure they are sturdier. Now I am wondering if I can find some sort of little portable BBQ that I can also use with the dutch over. Mostly I have just been carrying a simple grill which works fine in a campground that has a grill at each site but last week the grills provided were not dutch oven friendly and the no ground fire thing. I do like having a grill that I can put on top on. I used to have a little rectangular grill on little legs and a nice cover but it is disintegrating. But that wouldn't help with the dutch oven So I guess I need something that keeps the fire off the ground, has a lid to help cooking some stuff, and still can be used to support the dutch oven. Sounds like two items!
nrsweb.com
downriverequip.com
I hope this helps.
Paul
I'm sure they are sturdier. Now I am wondering if I can find some sort of little portable BBQ that I can also use with the dutch over. Mostly I have just been carrying a simple grill which works fine in a campground that has a grill at each site but last week the grills provided were not dutch oven friendly and the no ground fire thing. I do like having a grill that I can put on top on. I used to have a little rectangular grill on little legs and a nice cover but it is disintegrating. But that wouldn't help with the dutch oven
So I guess I need something that keeps the fire off the ground, has a lid to help cooking some stuff, and still can be used to support the dutch oven. Sounds like two items!Jamesiam
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I'm sure they are sturdier. Now I am wondering if I can find some sort of little portable BBQ that I can also use with the dutch over. Mostly I have just been carrying a simple grill which works fine in a campground that has a grill at each site but last week the grills provided were not dutch oven friendly and the no ground fire thing. I do like having a grill that I can put on top on. I used to have a little rectangular grill on little legs and a nice cover but it is disintegrating. But that wouldn't help with the dutch oven So I guess I need something that keeps the fire off the ground, has a lid to help cooking some stuff, and still can be used to support the dutch oven. Sounds like two items!
I should have added in my first post that the stainless steel pans from steam tables are larger and make good fire pans as well.
Dsrtrat
So I guess I need something that keeps the fire off the ground, has a lid to help cooking some stuff, and still can be used to support the dutch oven. Sounds like two items!I should have added in my first post that the stainless steel pans from steam tables are larger and make good fire pans as well.
Dsrtrat
Silvertip47
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I am assuming there are no fire pits there. Just wondering why they don't allow it. Smoke, fire danger?
Then what do you do with the ashes?
I love a good ole cracklin' campfire but that is too much work!!!!
Then what do you do with the ashes?
I love a good ole cracklin' campfire but that is too much work!!!!
Phird05
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Fire danger and the "leave no trace" idea. We have been doing this for years while on multi-day river trips. We don't have to worry about fire danger in a lot of camps along the rivers. However, everyone using a fire pan and carrying out the coals/ashes allows everyone to have a more pristine experience, or at least a cleaner camp when they arrive for their use. It's really not that much work once you get into the routine.
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Barko1
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Fire danger and the "leave no trace" idea. We have been doing this for years while on multi-day river trips. We don't have to worry about fire danger in a lot of camps along the rivers. However, everyone using a fire pan and carrying out the coals/ashes allows everyone to have a more pristine experience, or at least a cleaner camp when they arrive for their use. It's really not that much work once you get into the routine.
Totally agree. Fire danger is extremely high in Big Bend, I'd hate to be responsible for a giant brush fire, not many resources to fight it out there.
Totally agree. Fire danger is extremely high in Big Bend, I'd hate to be responsible for a giant brush fire, not many resources to fight it out there.
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Fire danger and the "leave no trace" idea. We have been doing this for years while on multi-day river trips. We don't have to worry about fire danger in a lot of camps along the rivers. However, everyone using a fire pan and carrying out the coals/ashes allows everyone to have a more pristine experience, or at least a cleaner camp when they arrive for their use. It's really not that much work once you get into the routine.
I've always wondered about this idea- why not dump the ashes in the river? It will sink, wash away or disappear right? Aren't proper ashes a fertilizer anyway? I can understand leave no trace in a place like the UT desert where unfortunately, people leave too much ash and it scars the land. But in river bottom? What am I missing?
I've always wondered about this idea- why not dump the ashes in the river? It will sink, wash away or disappear right? Aren't proper ashes a fertilizer anyway? I can understand leave no trace in a place like the UT desert where unfortunately, people leave too much ash and it scars the land. But in river bottom? What am I missing?
I've always wondered about this idea- why not dump the ashes in the river? It will sink, wash away or disappear right? Aren't proper ashes a fertilizer anyway? I can understand leave no trace in a place like the UT desert where unfortunately, people leave too much ash and it scars the land. But in river bottom? What am I missing?
Hi Brett,
The reason that rivers have carry out policys is that although the fly ash will sink the charcoal floats on the surface and washes up on the beaches leaving an unsightly "bathtub ring" at high water mark.
Most western rivers experience very high use and limited campsites that are used almost every night during river season. Charcoal lasts in the enviroment longer than almost any organic material as evidenced by the charcoal from fires found at prehistoric sites.
It's really not much extra work to bag your fire debris along with your other trash and it keeps food odors down as well. The key to fire managment is to have reasonable size fires and let then burn down to fine ash and charcoal.
Dsrtrat
Hi Brett,
The reason that rivers have carry out policys is that although the fly ash will sink the charcoal floats on the surface and washes up on the beaches leaving an unsightly "bathtub ring" at high water mark.
Most western rivers experience very high use and limited campsites that are used almost every night during river season. Charcoal lasts in the enviroment longer than almost any organic material as evidenced by the charcoal from fires found at prehistoric sites.
It's really not much extra work to bag your fire debris along with your other trash and it keeps food odors down as well. The key to fire managment is to have reasonable size fires and let then burn down to fine ash and charcoal.
Dsrtrat
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Hi Brett,
The reason that rivers have carry out policys is that although the fly ash will sink the charcoal floats on the surface and washes up on the beaches leaving an unsightly "bathtub ring" at high water mark.
Most western rivers experience very high use and limited campsites that are used almost every night during river season. Charcoal lasts in the enviroment longer than almost any organic material as evidenced by the charcaoal from fires found at prehistoric sites.
It's really not much extra work to bag your fire debris along with your other trash and it keeps food odors down as well. The key to fire managment is to have reasonable size fires and let then burn down to fine ash and charcoal.
Dsrtrat
Makes perfect sense now. Thanks!
The reason that rivers have carry out policys is that although the fly ash will sink the charcoal floats on the surface and washes up on the beaches leaving an unsightly "bathtub ring" at high water mark.
Most western rivers experience very high use and limited campsites that are used almost every night during river season. Charcoal lasts in the enviroment longer than almost any organic material as evidenced by the charcaoal from fires found at prehistoric sites.
It's really not much extra work to bag your fire debris along with your other trash and it keeps food odors down as well. The key to fire managment is to have reasonable size fires and let then burn down to fine ash and charcoal.
Dsrtrat
Makes perfect sense now. Thanks!
Dughlas Stiubhart
It's good to be Stew
I just use an old oil drain pan to hold the coals. As others have said: Cheap and simple!
