Low cost DIY Lithium camper batteries.

rando

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I have been convinced for some time the lithium batteries were the future for marine and RV type applications and that lead acid's days were numbered. Lithium batteries have many major advantages over lead acid, including 4 times the energy density, much flatter voltage curve and less picky charging requirements. What has stopped me from installing lithium batteries in my Fleet flatbed was the huge 'early adopter' premium of ~$10/Ah as opposed to $2-3/Ah for high quality AGM or $1-2/Ah for flooded lead acid. Recently browsing on ebay I found a guy selling new old stock LiFePO4 cells for ~ $1.50/Ah (at 12.8V) and decided to take the plunge. The only draw back being that these batteries are 3.2V, 5.5Ah cells, so it would take some work to make an appropriate 12.8V, 150Ah battery pack. I figured I would describe the process and results in case anyone else was interested in a winter arts and crafts project that results in a large LiFePO4 battery pack at about 1/5th the cost of a commercial lithium pack and 1/4 the weight and 60% the cost of an equivalent lead acid battery bank.

1. Batteries. There are a lot of surplus Full River/Tenergy LiFePO4 cells available on ebay and amazon at the moment for very reasonable prices. These are new old stock (manufacturing dates from 2013 and 2014) from a reputable battery manufacturer in China. I bought 120 of the following 3.2V, 5.5Ah batteries:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Box-of-60-Fullriver-LiFePO4-32700-3-2V-5400mAh-Rechargeable-Batteries-32650-/351913374341?hash=item51efabf285
From seller 'dougdeals' for $180. If you want to make a different capacity battery pack there are plenty other options for different quantities and sizes of batteries. These are amazingly cheap - this is the equivalent of a 150Ah at 12V, for $180! A similar sized battery would be about $1500 from manufacturers such as Battleborn.

2. Pack Assembly. This is where the arts and crafts comes in. In order to get the right voltage (12.8V nominal) you need to put 4 cells in series. So I divided my 120 cells into four groups of 30 cells, and went about making 4 larger 3.2V batteries each comprised of 30 cells in parallel. There are two ways of assembling individual cells into packs - spot welding and soldering. I don't have a spot welder, so I went with soldering with a high wattage (140W) soldering gun and plenty of flux. Before soldering up the 30 battery packs I needed a way to physically assemble them. For this I used my newly acquired 3D printer to print out 5x6 battery plastic frames to hold the cells in a nice grid, but you could also glue the cells together or build a wooden box to hold them. I then soldered all the cells together using 12AWG copper wire:
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The first one took me several hours, but once I had my technique down, it was probably only 90 minutes or so per pack. It is very much craft work and is not hard to do

Once the packs were all soldered up, I attached about 20cm of 12AWG wire to the positive and negative of each pack, covered the exposed contacts with some 1/8" ABS I had lying around and then shrink wrapped each pack into some massive heat shrink tube (also from ebay). All in all this was a weeks worth of evenings to do, and I ended up with four 3.2v 150Ah battery packs each about 7" wide, 8" long and 2.5" tall.

3. Putting it all together. To make the final product you need to wire the 4 packs in series to make the 12.8V battery. This is where a couple of caveats about lithium batteries come in. First, it is very bad to discharge lithium batteries below about 2 - 2.5V per cell. While not a fire hazard or anything like that, it has the potential to ruin the cells. Secondly, lithium batteries don't 'self balance' between cells like lead acid batteries do. That is to say that over many cycles the voltages of the individual cells can drift apart, so that some can end up over charged (not a big deal) and some undercharged (big deal). Both these issues can easily be solved with a Battery Management System (BMS) which monitors the individual cells and shuts things down if they get out of wack and also applies corrective action to balance the individual cells. Luckily BMS are now very cheap and effective. I happen to have this one from a prior project and used it in this project:
http://www.batteryspace.com/PCM-with-Equilibrium-function-for-12.8V-LFP-Battery-Pack-30A-limit.aspx
But there are now much cheaper options on ebay and amazon.

I wired all the individual cells to a blue sea terminal block and then used jumpers to put the cells in series:
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The terminal block made it super easy to wire up the BMS, and I also added a JST balance connector so I can watch and adjust the individual cell voltages (more later):
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I added another sheet of ABS and some standoffs to cover the BMS board and terminals, and added a couple of stainless M6 screws for the battery posts:
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Finally I added a battery balancer/monitor to display the battery voltage and to manually balance the cells, although my BMS balances automatically so it shouldn't be needed. It plugs into the JST balance connector. This connector also allows you to use an RC hobby type battery charge to apply a balance charge to the pack if thing did get out of whack at some point.

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The whole thing is strapped to a 20" x 8" plywood panel with battery straps with some webbing handles for easy handling. This fits easily in the battery compartment in my Fleet, but you could arrange the cells in other configurations (and pack them much tighter) to fit other spaces.

4. Results The final product weighs 40lb (10lb lighter than the 75Ah lead acid battery that came with the camper with 3 times the usable capacity) and is 20" x 8" x 6":
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I charged it up using a standard 15A battery charger and ran it against a battery analyzer to measure the capacity - 150.346 Ah with an 8A load:
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I only charged the battery to 14.0V (3.5V/cell) and could probably get an extra 10% by charging it up to 14.8V, but 150 Ah is more than enough for me. This is drop in compatible with my current camper electrical system, I just need to change the settings on my Victron MPPT charge controller for 14.2V bulk charge and 13.4V float, and the settings on the BMV-700 to represent the new much larger battery pack.

5.Conclusion For a few (well maybe more like 12-16) hours work and a total cost of ~$300 you can have a kick arse 150 Ah (or smaller, or larger) cutting edge lithium battery system at 1/4 the weight of lead acid that should outlive your camper!
 
PS If you are interested in trying this, I would recommend acting soon. Once the word is out on these cheap surplus batteries, they likely will run out pretty quickly.
 
Impressive build Rando! Do the balancers have to be connected to each cel? I didn't see as many wires as I would have expected.... Lots to learn about lithiums ::)
 
Happyjax said:
Impressive build Rando! Do the balancers have to be connected to each cel? I didn't see as many wires as I would have expected.... Lots to learn about lithiums : :)
The balancers are only needed where the 3.2V packs are in series. Parallel cells are all at the same voltage as their terminals are tied together so they don't need to be individually balanced. For my pack there are two 'high current' terminals (black and red 12 awg wires) which are the main power lines on the -ve of pack 1 and +ve of pack 4. There are also 3 'balance' terminals (yellow 16 awg wires) that are at the internal junctions of cell 1&2, 2&3 and 3&4. Here is the wiring:
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I have a couple of cycles on the battery by leaving my fridge running in the driveway. Seems to be working well - ~90% SOC first thing in the morning then back up to 100% before noon. It recharges much faster than the AGM it replaced.

One minor issue though - my Blue Sea ACR is always connected as the lithium battery has a resting voltage around 13.5V. Not a big deal, but kind of waste to have an ACR that is always on. I am looking for a new battery isolator that has an adjustable set point.
 
Small update - went on a quick weekend trip with the new lithium batteries. We used as power as we could to give the battery a test - about 40Ah overnight. I noticed two things about the battery performance relative to the prior AGM battery

1. The batteries will accept the full power from my solar panels (about 9A this time of year) up until the charge controller decides they are full and shuts off. This is very different from the AGMs which would get to ~85% state of charge pretty quickly, then take another 4 hours or so to reach 100%.

2. You don't really get much charging from the alternator. I think the tacoma has a 'smart' ECU controlled alternator, which puts out 13.9V for a few minutes on start up but then quickly drops down to ~ 13.6V. With the solar panels going, 13.6V is actually lower than the house battery voltage, so the alternator does not really provide any charging current. Without solar, you do get a little charge current (~5A) but not much. So if you rely on alternator charging you would either need a DC-DC charger or figure out how to turn up the alternator voltage to ~14V.
 
Nice job Rando. I did something similar in 2016, with LiFePO from batteryspace.com, not like your DIY version but did install with a BMS/Charger from Electrodacus. Been running since then and enjoying the easy daily recharge and loss of weight.
 
Rando, Thanks for posting this project as it got me off my butt starting to do a similar battery for the camper. I ordered two cases of cells and played with them for a few days, and then ordered a third case. My plan is to use 40 cells per bank for a little over 200AH. I have a couple nice 30 amp charger/controller boards already so that's taken care of. Two banks of 40 cells, stacked on top of each other fit nicely in a small group 24 battery box. I'll be using two boxes and replace the huge battery boxes that already exist in the camper. I played around with 18650 cells for a radio project a year ago, and at that time bought a battery spot welder. It's going to make this project much easier than soldering. I'll post a report when I get the project done.
 

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Good luck in your project! A spot welder should make it much faster. One thought though, if you bought the BMS for use with you 18650 batteries (lithium cobalt) you may want to check the set points. Most of the lithium cobalt BMS have higher overcharge protections as it is normal to charge 18650 to 4.1V/cell, whereas the LiFePO4 cells shouldn't be charged much above 3.6V/cell.
 
I have BMS systems for both. This isn't my first rodeo. Just took looking at yours to get me off my butt. Thanks!
 
Hey guys I really appreciate all the input. As much as I wanted to figure out a lithium battery pack it just wasn't in the budget or time frame. I have ordered two of the lifeline batteries and hope they work as well as everyone says.
 
Hi, rando or anyone else who knows, if I build a 12v 100+ah pack would it be able to easily start my truck? I'd like to ditch my starter battery and just use the "house" battery. I was originally planning on AGM which I know will work.
 
rruff said:
Hi, rando or anyone else who knows, if I build a 12v 100+ah pack would it be able to easily start my truck? I'd like to ditch my starter battery and just use the "house" battery. I was originally planning on AGM which I know will work.
That's an odd thing to want to do. The battery characteristics are different for starting and long slow draining. Plus you would need some serious fat wire running to your truck starter. What is the reason for your idea?
 
There is no reason this couldn't start your truck, but you would need to build it a little differently. I designed my battery to be a house battery, which for me means a maximum current draw of ~20A, and typically more like 5A. If you used it for starting you could see draws more like 100A, so you would want to use heavier gauge bus wire between the cells, and much heavier wire between the packs. You would also want a BMS/protection circuit rated for a higher current. You would definitely want to put the battery under the hood and run wires back to your camper, as opposed to the other way around as you would need some seriously beefy wire.

I would also agree with Vic, that this may not be a great idea. I think using a smaller lead acid / agm battery for your starting battery and a large LiFePO4 battery for the house loads would be a better idea.
 

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