More National Park vandalism

I SPENT ABOUT 3 HOURS CLEANING GRAFFITI OF THE TOP OF MT TALLAC HERE IN SOUTH LAKE TAHOE LAST YEAR....

UNFORTUNATELY....IT IS GETTING WORSE....
 
Maybe I'm old...but have todays youth lost all control of their senses...or just the visible parts....

I could think of a couple other sentences...other than probation....

Maybe I should lose some of my controls (what ones are left) when I find someone with a can of paint out and about... :mad:

Do we have to deal with teenagers for the rest of our lives...why won't they just go away :oops:
 
Rusty, many times I get to thinking the same as you but when I take a step back to look at the big picture I put the blame (poor word choice) on our larger population. The percentage of dummies (a polite word choice) is probably the same as before (and to be optimistic, maybe even a little less) but the overall number has increased with skyrocketing population.

My initial thoughts on the sentence was the same as yours, but I was not the judge with a real person standing in front of me, nor have I read the investigation reports on her. I'm going to trust the judge used his wisdom but I'm going to hope her community service involves really getting her hands and clothes dirty.

I know a place in Yosemite she can go clean up.
 
Here's one way to deal with the issue... [link removed]. if you catch them, get photos and forward them on to appropriate law enforcement if it warrants that action.

Oops! Mr. 3Pin just pointed out that discussions are members only, and even though I am an administrator, I can't change the setting.
 
A friend of mine used to preach what he called "Retro-Active Birth Control." At the time I thought it a bit extreme and I still do, but it has its appealing moments.....
 
Well rats! Since I'm an administrator of the group, let's see if I can fix that!

Nope, I can't, so here's a description of what the thread is about.

The group is for the photographers that frequent Ridgefield National Wildlife Refuge. To keep from losing privileges due to knuckleheads that can't follow rules, we have a thread where people can post photos of violations of the refuge rules. Usually, it's just someone out of their auto during times that it isn't allowed, but sometimes it is a serious violation. For example, idiots throwing rocks at coot chicks, or people harassing owlets. The serious violations are sent in to Fish and Wildlife law enforcement.
 
ski3pin said:
Rusty, many times I get to thinking the same as you but when I take a step back to look at the big picture I put the blame (poor word choice) on our larger population. The percentage of dummies (a polite word choice) is probably the same as before (and to be optimistic, maybe even a little less) but the overall number has increased with skyrocketing population.

My initial thoughts on the sentence was the same as yours, but I was not the judge with a real person standing in front of me, nor have I read the investigation reports on her. I'm going to trust the judge used his wisdom but I'm going to hope her community service involves really getting her hands and clothes dirty.

I know a place in Yosemite she can go clean up.
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Good thoughts Ski.
I'll go sit on the "Group W" bench,with you and just shake my head.
Frank
 
It never ends does it? No matter how many we catch or all the education and protective measures we do, it keeps on happening----and it seems like there are more of them than before! It seems like there is a certain % of our population that believe that it is their right to do as they please and be danged all those rules and regulations! And the number seems to be growing! I've spent most of my professional career dealing with this stuff-even served as a prosecution trial expert in a fed trial, and helped put one of them in jail-and while nothing seems to stop it we have to try. As more people discover our outback, there are more opportunities to do the wrong thing! Well what can we do, just keep trying I guess?

Smoke
 
I understand what you're saying Smoke but all of us are going to keep trying because we do care. That is a really good thing.
 
When I was at Hovenweep I talked to a vacationing LE Ranger who had been investigating and had finally caught a guy who had been 'tagging' National Parks for 30 years. I asked him if the guy had said why he did it and he said he said he just felt like it. :(
 
per Mt 'Tallac: there are a lot of "RIP's"...maybe scattering remains ....incredible views -- almost 4000' climb and just under 5 miles up...many use some sort of vinyl/plastic tagging....nearly impossible to remove....a few have used chalk which i least weathers quickly and is gone....

"WOULD THE PERSON YOU ARE HONORING FEEL THAT WAY IF THEY KNEW WHAT YOU HAD DONE ???"
 
ACEBLACKDOG said:
"WOULD THE PERSON YOU ARE HONORING FEEL THAT WAY IF THEY KNEW WHAT YOU HAD DONE ???"
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I certainly would not. Memorials, even a couple of big ones I know of that must have been hauled in by stock and cost a great deal, are popping up everywhere and in remote locations. And, it is illegal, maybe understandable, but certainly short sighted. As you say, little honor.
 
We were shooting waterfalls east of Cottage Grove, Oregon. There was a promising one near where we were camped so to catch it before the sun reached it, we arrived early only to find this ghastly plastic flowered memorial where no angle would eliminate it. I did report it to the USFS because it was on public lands. If you want to put one on your own property fine, but leave public places alone. There are just too many of these.
 
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