Trashcan Mount

CPT Davenport

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I have finally found a solution for my trash can. Sometimes we are several days away from a place to dump our recycling and trash. We do not generate that much, but what trash we have will get stinky if kept in the cab or camper. I got a gamma lid for my 6 gallon bucket and that has helped. I now found a mount, and with slight modification, I can keep the trash outside if need be. This will be great for our wag bags as well. It also is nice to have the camp trashcan secured and at a higher point when camping. Last weekend at Lawson's Landing our bucket took flight with the high winds while sitting on the ground. Now it should be secure in the holder. When not in use, there is a quick release to detach the bracket.
 

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Usage update:

My new trash set up had her christening on Mother's Day! We spent the weekend at a bluegrass festival and the can was filled with wag bags and left over carnage from our fish fry. I did not want the can inside even for a second. Sure was nice to drive out of camp with the rubbish secured outside off the rear bumper.
 
Looks great. Be sure not to use it while camping in Bear country (except perhaps during transport to a disposal site). It will serve as a Bear magnet. Bears have an incredible sense off smell and will investigate anything that smells remotely like food.

(A company I am a partner in makes Bear resistant containers for backpackers and other campers for which we have done considerable testing with live Grizzly and Black Bears). ;-)
 
ckent323 said:
Looks great. Be sure not to use it while camping in Bear country (except perhaps during transport to a disposal site). It will be serve as a Bear magnet.

(A company I am a partner in makes Bear resistant containers for backpackers and other campers for which we have done considerable testing with live Grizzly and Black Bears). ;-)
Thanks for the great advice Craig. The bucket has a Gamma lid with a gasket that keeps the smell down. Actually my wife and the other friends we were with said they could not smell a thing. I have been blessed with a super sniffer! So much so that when I go hiking I can smell the different varieties of mushrooms growing around me. Kinda of a blessing and a curse but makes for abundant foraging. None the less, I smell EVERYTHING. I can even eat something and tell you every spice ingredient of its composition. My wife jokes that she wants to pimp me out as a truffle pig!

I'm curious, do the bear resistant canisters keep the bear form smelling it's contents or just make it so they are unable to get in to the canister?

All of the bear cans I have looked at are too small to hold multiple days of rubbish. I will be in Yellowstone this summer and plan to hang the bucket by its handle between trees and away for camp.
 
Cpt Davenport,

Bears have an incredible sense of smell. With all due respect your sense of smell is not even close. It is estimated that Black Bears' sense of smell is about seven times greater than a bloodhound's!

Ref:

https://www.nps.gov/yose/blogs/bear-series-part-one-a-bears-sense-of-smell.htm#:~:text=Even%20bloodhounds%2C%20dogs%20so%20famous,that%20it's%20difficult%20to%20measure.


They also learn to associate human odors with food.

The answer to your question based on testing is, No, Bear canisters and food bags do not prevent Bears from smelling the food odors because they are almost always present on the outside surfaces of the containers. Further, even a small amount of molecules of odor escaping a container, as the air in it expands and contracts during heating and cooling during the day and night, can be detected by a Bear. So while we use tight seals on the lids of our canisters that is mainly to keep water, dirt and tiny bugs out.

Also don't hang food or trash, except perhaps on approved Bear poles in parks and campgrounds that still have them. It too often doesn't work and for that reason a number of places have removed them and installed metal food storage lockers.

Bottom line: Black Bears in particular are nimbler than cats, very intelligent, can see in color and learn easily. Grizzlies are more brutish than nimble and smart. That is why hanging food from bags in trees rarely works in places where it has been done for decades because the Black Bears have learned they can climb out on the limbs or send Cubs out to bend the branch down or break off the limb to get the food. They have even learned to defeat commercial Bear poles by Cubs climbing up and standing on the shoulders of a standing Mama Bear.

That intelligence and love of food is why once they break into a vehicle and successfully get a food reward often times the very next vehicle, they will try will be a car that looks identical in style and color.
That intelligence is also is why there is documented evidence of Bears working together to defeat latches on large trash bins; One Bear trips the latch while another opens the lid. Incredible and true.

In popular places (Yosemite, Sequoia and Yellowstone come to mind quickly) if a Black Bear sees something that looks like food in your car (from past success at getting food in colored wrappers, say on a camp table or trash can) it is probable and peraps likely that they will try to break in. They are very strong and it is usually easy for them to pop a locked car door open or bust out a window. They often leave a poop thank you when they leave, after tearing up the seats looking for the food scraps they smell under them.

The Park Service, Forest Service, BLM as well as California Forest and Park rangers say “a fed Bear is a dead Bear”. Once a Bear is successful at getting human food they will very quickly become repeat offenders and thereby become dangerous to humans. That in turn too often leads to them ultimately being euthanized.

Please seek input from Rangers wherever you camp and dutifully employ their advice on how you can avoid inadvertently feeding Bears and thereby helping create a problem Bear. It is important to do this every time because the situation is constantly evolving. Places where Bears were not historically a problem are now having Bear problems due to the massive increase in visitation and sloppy camper food and waste storage habits.

Factually, this is a people problem not a Bear problem. The Bears are just doing what they have evolved to do The problem is people feeding them intentionally or unintentionally though ignorance or carelessness.

Here are National Park Service, Dept of Agriculture and Calif Parks & Recreation links to proper food storage when camping:

https://www.nps.gov/subjects/bears/storingfood.htm
https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5191168.pdf
https://www.parks.ca.gov/NewsRelease/806
I hope this information is helpful,

P.S. I have been in the Bear resistant food storage business, working with Park and Forest Service Bear experts, for over 20 years as well as an avid camper and backpacker for nearly 60 years (since before i was a teenager). I have personally tested containers many times with both Grizzly and Black Bears and I have encountered Black Bears while both camping and backpacking several times. No Bear has ever gotten any of my food or trash (except during supervised testing).

Craig
 
Craig I remember Al DeForest coming by my lab to discuss testing procedures for your container. Unfortunately I didn't have any equipment simulate a Grizzly bears strength or cunning. He did say to get certification you would have to go to the Fresno zoo and put a loaded container in the bear area after the bears had not been fed in a while.
 
Hi Dick,

Yes, we tested with Fisher Bear at the Folsom Zoo as well as other Black Bears and a couple of Grizzly Bears. We built a structural CAD model and also built a mechanical testing device but once our prototypes were passing live Bear testing we went into production. We have never had a failure. Almost every other Bear resistant canister manufacturer has had one or more failures.

Al still runs the day to day operations. Also considering that we are both getting long in the tooth and after more than 20 years we have talked and we think time is coming to start looking for new owners to carry the product and brand forward.

Best to you


Craig
 
Cool idea to keep the trash outside during the day at camp. I simply empty the trash into the big metal bin at the campground in the evening to keep the bears from bothering me.
 
Field Test Update:

This system has earned a permanent spot on my rig now. It has served me well for about 70 days camping so far. I was bringing the can in as we drove, but it now just lives hanging on the bumper full time. I learned that if I flip the bucket handle over, it locks securely behind the bolts on the mount. Drove with it full of trash from CA to Montana with several off road adventures along the way. The only time I remove it was to empty or when we were in bear country. Works great for keeping smelly trash, recycling and WAG Bags concealed and out of the camper. The rivets I have attached it with are still rock solid.

The 6 gallon size is just right in most situations. I have thought of adding a second can to the other side so to have one for trash and one for recycling. We don't generate much trash and if we smash our cans and burp all the air from the WAG bags, we can go several days before finding a suitable place for disposal.
 
ckent323 said:
Looks great. Be sure not to use it while camping in Bear country (except perhaps during transport to a disposal site). It will serve as a Bear magnet. Bears have an incredible sense off smell and will investigate anything that smells remotely like food.

(A company I am a partner in makes Bear resistant containers for backpackers and other campers for which we have done considerable testing with live Grizzly and Black Bears). ;-)
Wild Ideas by any chance?
 
Yes.

I carefully worded my previous comments to try and avoid using this site to promote my company and product (even though I believe it to be the best on the market).

;-)
 
ckent323 said:
Yes.

I carefully worded my previous comments to try and avoid using this site to promote my company and product (even though I believe it to be the best on the market).

;-)
Sorry for blowing your cover. But they are the best on the market.
 
ckent323 said:
Yes.

I carefully worded my previous comments to try and avoid using this site to promote my company and product (even though I believe it to be the best on the market).

;-)
Are you suggesting that you store your trash, recycling and if you use them, WAG bags in the bear canister?
 
Cpt Davenport,

No, mainly for hygienic reasons so you do not contaminate the food you eat.

If you remove all food from the canister and put it in say a bag which is in turn put in a food locker and you put a liner bag in a Bear canister then it may be OK (up to you to decide) to put trash in the Bear canister. However, I do not recommend using a Bear canister for trash or any other waste.

However, if there are no trash cans or other means of disposing your trash out of sight then putting it in a plastic bag and putting that in your bear canister may be the best thing to do.

In all cases Bear canisters can be and should be cleaned with soap and water between trips. I further recommend not leaving any food items stored in a Bear canister for long periods of time. Be sure to remove contents and clean it before putting it away after a trip.

To be as explicitly clear as I can be, what I said was;

In Bear country hanging trash outside is a Bear magnet. Bears have an incredible sense of smell and will investigate anything that smells remotely like food.

I need to add that smell is not the only thing they rely on. If they even see something that they have previously found to be edible, they will seek it out: such as a candy wrapper, cans of food and other things like toothpaste or cough drops in your vehicle that are visible though the windows. Lots of cars have been broken into and torn apart because of candy wrappers, chewing gum packs, Altoids, and etc.

The parenthetical comment (A company I am a partner in makes Bear resistant containers for backpackers and other campers for which we have done considerable testing with live Grizzly and Black Bears). Was intended to indicate I have a reasonably good idea about what I am talking about relative to Bears and in particular keeping food and trash away from them.

I hope this clarifies things. ;-)

I wish you enjoyable and safe, Bear trouble free, camping.


Craig
 
Got it Craig, thank you. Just wondering because I'm only talking about trash. I would not rely on this to be bear proof by any measure. I just like the fact that WE can't smell the contents when it's closed. Very aware that bears can smell everything. When we camp with bear boxes, that is where it goes. When no boxes are available (most of the time they are not for us), the can goes in the cab with the other food in sealed containers.

Again, just referring to trash here. Can you please share your recommendation for storing trash in bear country. Interested in others experiences and solutions, in and out of bear zones. For trash.
 
we just did a 4 day canoe trip in a remote part of northern BC (Murtle Lake) and our trash (minimal) was double bagged in plastic and also went into the food boxes provided. If that's not possible, we hang it with our food. I may not want to eat trash, but a bear will and will become acclimated to human food ... and that's a death sentence for the bear.
 

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