Wilderness Photography restrictions?

Haven't seen that one,but heard that like in Denali if you are a professional and will publish the photos you need to get a permit.
Not the same as the NF service issue though.
Frank
 
Well, a bit of perspective. Every year we have helicopters and fixed wings flying at low level, landing and using wilderness and non-wilderness for commercial purposes. Now we have quad copters and have fielded a number of complaints about the use of these for both horn hunting, game hunting and general photography. Some of the "kinks" may have to be worked out, but I can say if you work/live/play in an area that has lot's of demand for use of public lands to film commercially, it can quickly get out of hand.
 
Taku said:
......................... Some of the "kinks" may have to be worked out, but I can say if you work/live/play in an area that has lot's of demand for use of public lands to film commercially, it can quickly get out of hand.
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Taku, thanks for your perspective and I agree. Living close to one of the nation's busiest Wilderness areas the issues are in my backyard. Because of its proximity to Tahoe, amazing views, and relative ease of getting to, the general public would be astounded the pressures that come down to turn this area into a film studio. Pity the poor land manager that stands between huge corporations wielding obscene bank rolls, local governments selling themselves out to any talk of cash coming in, users that complain very time they see a helicopter or plane below 2000 feet, and of course the law that requires you to maintain some measure of Wilderness standards. It is a job not many of us would ever want.
 
I just saw it on another photography related site...

It's time to contact your congressional representatives, meaning both senators and your house representative. This sucks big time.
 
2x, plus some Ski! Remember all those wonderful news casts of the "Stupids" rescue showing a blizzard in the Sierras as a back ground for an event in the high desert of the Great Basin, or our favorite Nevada rancher and his non-rights and cows, etc., I think that is one of the reasons the government has public info officers is to try and get out the facts (sometimes) on what is going on out there to try and inform our usually uninformed public. He who yells the most get the most attention-rather they are right or wrong-just the way the news cycle work..

Smoke
 
Wandering Sagebrush said:
I just saw it on another photography related site...

It's time to contact your congressional representatives, meaning both senators and your house representative. This sucks big time.
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Yep Steve, an amature taking a picture out there is not a movie company out to make some money, so write a letter or two-two different subjects, different answers. Some times i think our government trying to make things better sometimes trips over their own two feet-part of the governing process that takes time to work right.

smoke
 
I can sure see those quad copters getting out of hand. Keeping the commercial stuff is out laudable, I just wonder where the line between commercial and non commercial is going to be drawn.
 
Would Ansel Adams be on the most wanted list?

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This quote "Close, of the Forest Service, doesn't seem to agree.
She said the agency was implementing the Wilderness Act of 1964, which aims to protect wilderness areas from being exploited for commercial gain." reminded me of all those cattle I have to share the Marble Mountain Wilderness with. Why doesn't the FS do something about that commercial gain, and by the same logic they should eliminate the mining claims also. :oops:
 
This will get fixed-it's called the government and it takes time to make it work right. This sort of reminds me of another"wilderness" related well meaning program that also got off track because of a an interpretation of how it was managed and implemented almost ruined it. It was called VRM-visual resource management. This program was designed to the protect the visual aspects of wilderness-like in being able to see wilderness with no obstructions etc.,-like seeing the Grand Canyon without skyscrapers or smoke stacks in the way. Somehow it got interpreted by the mid level rule makers to mean no new major construction projects like pipelines could be built next to existing highways (even if there where existing pl/telephone along the route) because it would impact the car drivers unhampered view of any adj. wilderness, yet they could be built thru wilderness areas because no one was out there to see the visual impacts (does a tree make a noise when it falls). Every one fought that interpretation and most field managers ignored it & backed up their field people and kept overriding the rule until it was fixed. I remember having to deal with vandals digging up ark sites in WSA's(Wilderness Areas); they could drive in to dig them up but we could not drive in to repair the damage or protect them because it was against the wilderness rules-had to use helicopters to bring the stuff in. Many stories can be told about things like this.

Smoke
 
You might be interested in reading the entire proposal in the Federal Register posted Aug 28, 2014 and located at https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2014/09/04/2014-21093/proposed-directive-for-commercial-filming-in-wilderness-special-uses-administration#table_of_contents


Notice Of Proposed Directive; Request For Public Comment.
Summary

The Forest Service proposes to incorporate interim directive (ID) 2709.11-2013.1 into Forest Service Handbook (FSH) 2709.11, chapter 40 to make permanent guidance for the evaluation of proposals for still photography and commercial filming on National Forest System Lands. The proposed amendment would address the establishment of consistent national criteria to evaluate requests for special use permits on National Forest System (NFS) lands. Specifically, this policy provides the criteria used to evaluate request for special use permits related to still photography and commercial filming in congressionally designated wilderness areas. Public comment is invited and will be considered in the development of the final directive.
Unified Agenda
Commercial Filming in Wilderness

and comments needs to be posted by 11/3/2014

I recommend all interested parties post their comments
 
I have read the proposal. Special use permits are needed if you want to enter areas not open to the general public. You generally also need to pay for any ranger time spent escorting you in those areas. This is not new, the 'media' just has their panties in a twist when it gets enforced.
 
This was always just a tempest in a teapot. The park service has a similar policy and we had people get permits to access off limits areas at the park I volunteered at last summer. You have to get a permit and pay for the ranger's time needed to escort you. I could go to those areas as a volunteer but any photos I took while in uniform belonged to the NPS, and out of uniform I was restricted just like everyone else.
 
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