roof lifting helper shocks thingys

[alijabosdotcom]

While I appreciate the intent you, however guys keeps citing the 35.43" strut not the 40".

 

[OutbacKamper]

"I have found a local company "Gemini Gas Springs Inc" who will build custom gas struts to suit for $28 Cdn each. "

This company builds gas springs to your specs at a very affordable price. I haven't installed mine yet, but they seem very good quality. They are located in Vernon, BC
www.geminigassprings.com

 

[alijabosdotcom]

Reallllly. LS Industries in Saskatoon has em to but they are $68. Anyone know what the compressed length needs to be?

 

[Casa Escarlata Robles Too]

While I appreciate the intent you, however guys keeps citing the 35.43" strut not the 40".

Again search the Suspra site for the size you need or call them to get info.
Frank

 

[alijabosdotcom]

I did. They said anything over 36" is custom. ~$100 each.

 

[alijabosdotcom]

http://www.geminigassprings.com/
They are currently custom making me the gas springs. $30cdn. Great customer service.

 

[Casa Escarlata Robles Too]

http://www.geminigassprings.com/
They are currently custom making me the gas springs. $30cdn. Great customer service.

That sounds like your problem is solved.
Frank

 

[Carterjkendall]

As Pods8 mentioned earlier, Here's the picture of struts mounted outside.
I plan on doing just that. I don't want to have to bother with them inside.
Marty and the guys over at ATC are doing some research for me and
we hope to come up with something soon. BTW, these struts are cheap and
I'm not going to worry about marine SS struts...so what if they only last
3~4 years rather that 8...easy and cheap to replace.

How long were these struts fully extended?

 

[Bluedog]

I just put the lift struts on my Grandby. They work great! I wish I had done this mod sooner.
Thanks for the instructions, and part numbers.
Today we are putting them on my friends Grandby.

 

[Squatch]

Anyone have a link to SUSPA 40" 40lb struts? Can't find any in canada. Help?

I just emailed FWC. They will not sell to customers. You have to have the struts installed at the factory or a dealer. I think this is a new policy.

So I called Suspa and spoke to a very nice lady there. Yes the 40" gas springs are made for FWC. They have not been on the Suspa web site. She said she will have them added soon.

20lb is C16-31895-a

30lb is C16-31896-a

40lb is c16-32561

All 40" long

The -A means they have screw on 10mm socket ends on them. Same sockets. The shaft is just threaded for replaceable ends.

These are the 40" gas springs that are required by Eagle and Fleet campers. I believe the others use 36". The inside ones on my Eagle are 36" and they are too short for the outside. I checked.

I doubt they will be cheap. The 40lb are $95. But at least this gives us an option beside FWC. Driving 3+ hours to the only dealer in the East so I can pay them to do something I can do myself in the driveway is not appealing. FWC seems to forget that their customers are the ones who showed them how to do this mod!!!!!

 

[Casa Escarlata Robles Too]

are too short for the outside. I checked.

I doubt they will be cheap. The 40lb are $95. But at least this gives us an option beside FWC. Driving 3+ hours to the only dealer in the East so I can pay them to do something I can do myself in the driveway is not appealing. FWC seems to forget that their customers are the ones who showed them how to do this mod!!!!!

Yes,thanks to "The Saints" from Santa Cruz to finding this mod and making it a "need" item.
Frank

 

[liftedlimo]

Found from the info in this thread I ordered the Suspa C16-19198 60lbs. They work great but without a load on top they are hard-ish to get the roof down in the front. I started with the 80lbs struts but they only worked when I had 2 kayaks and a child on the roof(don't tell momma bear)! I might order the 40lbs to finish this process, or leave it be. I had grand plans to add solar panels, kayaks, bikes, etc and that never happened. The brackets were like $25 bucks for 4. My roof lifters have been working great for 2+ years now(May 2015) and look nearly new. No need to get crazy custom made lift shocks, just go to Amazon for $24 each shipped.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007MUY7PK/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

and

https://www.amazon.com/JR-Products-BR-1020-Mounting-Bracket/dp/B01N8V5UV1/ref=pd_sbs_263_1/130-4011842-8585263?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B000BRF38Q&pd_rd_r=R4PW848MXJJ7J2G6R3BW&pd_rd_w=hA7k5&pd_rd_wg=ppezW&refRID=R4PW848MXJJ7J2G6R3BW&th=1

 

[Squatch]

Yep 36" are easy and cheap. But they are NOT long enough for those of us with Eagles and Fleets. That's why the 40" are custom. They just make a few of them.

 

[nikonron]

Just changed out my 20 lb. struts for 30 lb. Much better now. Ron

 

[ETAV8R]

Yep 36" are easy and cheap. But they are NOT long enough for those of us with Eagles and Fleets. That's why the 40" are custom. They just make a few of them.

I've got a Finch and use 34" inside. Does it really take 4" more if they are mounted on the outside?

Just last week I went from 50lbs to 75lbs for my internally mounted lifter thingys. Tried 125lbs with my empty shower tube mounted and it was a no go. The 75lb ones lift it fine with no water inside. We'll see how they work with it filled. Might have to go with 100lbs. If anyone needs some 34" 50lb gas struts let me know.

 

[nikonron]

Yes, it does take the longer ones on the outside for an Eagle or Fleet. Ron

 

[Squatch]

Yes it's a different closing angle. My Eagle uses 36" on the inside. But when I mocked them up on the outside the angle is wrong. To span the open amount they are too vertical and won't be able to compress when closing.

I have a question for folks that have converted from inside to outside struts. My Eagle had 60lb inside which were just fine with nothing on the roof. Once I added roof rack and a Glass 160 watt panel it was a very touch lift. I upgraded the inside to 80lb each and it helped a little. I can do it but it's heavy. Space is tight for my big old self inside until the roof goes up. So I've been using a speaker lift as well.

I'm getting ready to buy the struts for the outside to convert. Is there a same weight translation from 2 inside struts to 4 outside? As in I have to 80lb inside. Is that exactly the same as 4 40lb on the outside. On paper both applications are 160lb of lift. Or does the location make a difference? I still haven't accounted for the addition of the Road Shower on the racks yet either. Which will be used occasionally. 5 gallons of water up there.

I'm thinking of going with 4 50lb on the outside and then using my old inside struts as needed when additional weight is on the roof.

Comments and opinions?

 

[Vic Harder]

squatch,

I have a 265w Glass panel on the roof. About 44 pounds. 40# struts front and 30# rear - outside. Once the initial 1" or so of lift is done the hard way (pushing!) they are essentially neutral, meaning they don't go up or down unless assisted. I have to push slightly or pull slightly to raise/lower them. Perfect.

 

[Squatch]

It may be that the geometry of the struts is somewhat different from inside to outside. Also having a certain amount of lift at each end instead of in the center might make quite a difference. Since you actually lift one end at a time. I'm thinking that mounted on each end you get more help when lifting that end. With the center mounted inside struts when you lift one end the struts are still trying to lift the entire roof.

 

[nikonron]

Squatch, you'll need 30 lb. struts front and rear with what you have on top now, may be a little different when you add 5 gallons of water. They suggest not using anything over 30 lb. strut without the load on top, said it will damage the roof structure. I have a 150 watt solar panel. I do actually have to pull down a bit on the roof to help it start down. Ron