Three new National Monuments in California

People are the problem.

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I have camped around the Utica/Union Lake are since 1965. Long time but the change has been drastic. PG&E once maintained the road for access to Spicer's. This was a 4x4 or motorcycle road only. New road cut in the 70' allowing 2 wheel drive access to Spicer's. Soon the road to Utica / Union was smoothed from 4 wheel drive to allow 2 wheel drive access. With every change used was increased. Slick Rock road was changed from a OHV trail to a licensed vehicle road only, restricting an area I had used since 1965. Several years ago campgrounds were installed at Utica / Union. Area's were closed for camping that had been used for years. Hell there is even a 20 minute parking sign by Utica Lake.

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The NM will change use of the area, how to be determined.
 
As another WTW'er who has never lived more than 140 miles from the Atlantic Ocean, I follow events and news pertaining to Gummint land in the West with a certain perspective and a great interest. Over the decades since the early 1970s I've observed:

  • Consistent complaints from Western states about how Federal lands are managed and about the mere fact that the Federal Gummint owns X% of their state.

  • Regular reference to legislation or other actions having the goal of "taking it back".

  • Neither of the above ever gaining traction in Congress or generating much support/sympathy from non-Westerners.

  • Substantial, material, and regular use of Executive Branch law to establish new controls on Federal lands, principally declarations related to NMs. Chief Executives from both parties tend to do this in their lame duck periods.

  • Constant debate concerning mining, oil/gas development, and logging on Gummint lands.

As Bill humorously notes above, I firmly believe "we are our own worst enemies", but in a somewhat expanded sense than relates only to abusers of government lands. It appears to this Easterner that virtually any proposal to mine, drill, or cut timber from the Western public lands is met with a storm of activists' protests decrying the adverse impacts on the environment/wildlife habitat/water quality. While nobody, including this former mining geologist, wants a return to the bad old days of unmitigated damage caused by natural resource extraction activities, we seem to have lost the fact that to make an omlette, some eggs must be broken. The mere fact that most of us sleep at night in a heated or cooled structure, and don't go to bed hungry, requires some disturbance of the soils, forests, and waters. And we also seem to have lost the fact that, like it or not, the US Gummint stole the Western States from the Native Americans, the French, and the Spanish fair and square, and large portions of the population are best served by generation of income from those assets thus acquired.

With this in mind, when some folks see virulent protests against a mine or an oil well outside of, but in the "viewshed" of a National Park or NM, they see a pushing of the envelope and wonder just what the Gummint is supposed to do with valuable public resources if they can't be developed within certain areas or even within sight of certain areas. It's also almost amusingly ironic to see considerable acreage encouraged to be removed from the green energy equation by Congressional representatives of the very state which mandates generation of substantial portions of their enormous energy consumption requirements from renewable sources. Back here in the East, the Audubon Society led the charge to ban driving on beaches within the Cape Hatteras National Seashore (an NPS asset). The argument was that shorebird nesting sites and sea turtle nesting sites were disturbed by surf-fishermen's, surfer's, and beach-goer's vehicles. And they were absolutely correct about that. Missing from their talking points was the simple fact that over 99% of the East Coast beaches are off limits to motorized vehicles, have been for decades, and, correspondingly the very few miles accessible within the Cape Hatteras and Cape Lookout NS units are the sole access point for vehicle-borne beach users. The restrictions at Cape Hatteras which resulted from settlement of the lawsuit filed by the Audubons, et al, are severe, getting worse, and are now spreading to Cape Lookout. One result is that the Audubons, as fine of a conservation organization as there is, is seen regionally as "elitist bullies from California and New York" who have foisted their views as to how NC's beaches can be enjoyed upon everybody else.

All of this just to suggest that there are other ways by which we may be "loving our public lands to death". Large portions of the population see zealous opponents of development of public natural resources under any circumstances as obstructionists. Similarly, locking up lands such that only a very few have any opportunity to see, touch, and experience them is seen as elitist. I think they have some meat to their arguments, and we'd be collectively well-advised to consider how strict preservationists' positions are seen by others, since we ultimately need to be able to work with others for the greatest common good.

Foy
 
With a growing mobile population there will be more human abuse resulting in more restrictions. It is unavoidable, no matter who administers the land, or whether it is recreational abuse or extractive. There will also be more conflicts between competing interests. We have to accept that as a consequence of overpopulation and consumerism. However....

I firmly believe that you will keep more opportunity for recreation in federally protected public lands, including national monuments. Why do I believe this so strongly? Check for yourselves the different western states' land trust websites. Here in New Mexico, to legally hike on state public trust land I have to send in $25 per year for a permit. Camping is not allowed without permission from the lessee, and no open fires or alcohol are allowed. No off-roading allowed. If public lands are transferred to the states, I'll bet dollars to donuts you will eventually only be camping in developed campgrounds in state parks. State lands are not historically public lands. They are grazing and extractive revenue sources. National monuments, on the other hand, help keep lands public.

Our Rio Grande Del Norte National Monument was formed a few years ago from BLM land and is administered by the BLM. You can still hike, hunt, camp and fish just like before the monument designation. This land is now protected for recreation, and the neighboring towns supported the designation because it protects their tourism $$$.

All the dispersed campsites and OHV trails in New Mexico are on federal public land. No permit required here. Every National Forest district has a recreation officer and staff. Recreation is part of their mandate. Yes, there are some restrictions in heavily used areas and wilderness, but they are not arbitrary. The worst restrictions are all on state land, because they are intended to generate income and protect the lessee, not the public.
 
I agree with you highz, but Foy has his points too! Back east they don't have many places to play and it sounds like they have loved to death those places where they can, and sometimes we seem to be doing that same thing here. There is only so much public land out here, and Congress has unloaded a whole bunch of seemingly unworkable and incompatible laws and mandates on the land managers. When I first came into BLM, it used to manage under what was called the concept of multi-use: all resources are supposed to get a hunk of the action and work together to somehow manage all these Public Lands. Needless to say learning to work together as a team of competing interests for the good of the whole was probably harder than implementing all the mandates! I should mention here that I was very lucky were I worked, and I loved every moment and despite all the problems, we really did try to do our jobs.

Over the years the name has changed, but that concept has pretty much stayed in place,with the Dems expanding the protective side of the new laws and the GOP, trying to restrict them. One good thing did happen thou, in the long run, it opened up the process more to the general public, not just the old primary users of the land-the exploiters, the land managers and the preservationists who had always treated as it was their own land! Now everyone has a chance to add their two cents in. So back to my main pitch in this thread, this is your land, so take part in helping to manage it because if you don't someone else will and maybe those worries of paved roads and expensive campgrounds and no place to play may come true.

Smoke
 
This is a very enlightening post. Guys thanks for the posts and for the passion. Unfortunately the midwest and Indiana don't have these awesome places to visit. So hopefully when full retirement occurs in the next 2-3 years, I will get to travel to all points west. jd
 
This thread is at a strategic tipping point. The ALEC link above is to a very left wing political organization that opposes ALEC and not ALEC itself. Everyone is entitled to their political opinion, but unless another wolf vs rancher discussion is desired, there is little value in going down this particular rabbit hole. IMHO.

YMMV,
Paul
 
No problem, Charlie. Those of us that appreciate this forum have much in common in love of the outdoors, experiencing it in our chosen camping modes, and in sharing it here (especially, the great photography). However, it is apparent that we WTW'ers come at other issues from both similar and different viewpoints. I am inundated with political ideology in other media. This forum is a wonderful respite from the political mess that is so hard to avoid, especially this year. :)

Paul
 
Obviously this is a sensitive topic. I think we can all agree that we want public access for our wanderings and camping. All I can add is do your own research about how to keep lands public, think critically about the information you read and your impact on the land, and - as Smoke reminds us - get involved and be heard during the decision making process!
 
PaulT said:
This forum is a wonderful respite from the political mess that is so hard to avoid, especially this year. :)

Paul
Another excellent point Paul.

I apologize in advance for the following run-on sentence.

Regardless of one's opinion about this issue, as one who has spent nearly 58 of 61 years in the southeast, allow me to state, be careful what you wish for because what you end up with is usually a far cry from the wish insofar as access to public lands is concerned.

I have enjoyed reading the commentary in this thread; it is has been enlightening, compassionate and free of innuendo.
 
It can be a healthy discussion, when respect is maintained. I appreciate the sharing of reasonable opinions from the easterners and westerners. The population density and history of the two regions create very different perspectives, IMHO.

In our NorCal county we have a roadless area of glaciated peaks that were set aside under Clinton. I'm glad it's limited to horse, foot and cycling. With good access, the Grouse Ridge area often is a first time backpack destination. The dirt roads outside the roadless area swarm with OHV traffic all summer, including scofflaws who ride quads onto meadows. While It's true we can't four wheel into the area, we camp in the TNF adjacent and enjoy hiking into the alpine non-motorized area. Without these restrictions, there would be quad tracks everywhere, and unfortunately with vehicles comes the trash.

As SmokeCreek, HighZ and others have emphasized, public input during planning is critical. The National Forests have been required to develop roads/trails plans with public input. The result is that some roads are closed, and OHV trails are defined, limiting the ability to ride anywhere. We still find illegal tracks in Tahoe and Plumas NF from quads riding on single track routes that are off limits.

As our population increases, equipped with GPS, reliable off road vehicles and the darn internet, the impacts are increasing significantly. As much as I hate being restricted or limited, if we are to maintain the wild lands and their resident species, then we will need to accept limits on our access to areas that were previously unmanaged. This is a rapid change from how we all grew up, but think about how many thousands upon thousands are now wheeling out there where most of us have spent our last twenty to forty years enjoying the good old days.

I guess that's my message. The good old days were great because there were very few of us. Today we have a lot of city people with way too many toys, who have discovered our secret. The higher the population, the greater the need of a management plan. The devil is in the details, so get involved.
 
I appreciate we keep our political discussions directly related to land use and other wtw issues and don't get mired in the muck of unrelated topics. Plenty of sites if thats your thing. The issue with vandals and other ne'er do wells is a tough one. Such a small percentage of off road users can do so much damage. I'd like to see tread lightly etc, taught in school alongside environmental awareness. May not help but lets see if does.
 
Yep, that was close, but as you guys have commented, load and clear, this is a good site; full of good WTW (least us not forget our eastern friends too) information, help and ideas and we need to keep it that way :D ! Now if we could keep those other people off our lands :oops: -or at least train them first so they don't mess it up!

Smoke
 
I think this has been a healthy, helpful sharing of perspective, with a very helpful dose of boots-on-the-ground information from some with actual Gummint land management employment backgrounds.

Foy
 
Thanks to all who enlightened me about our federal/public lands. Our own backyard, the Mt. Baker-Snoqualmie National Forest has some budget restraints: the following info was copy/pasted from our local mountain biking advocacy group Whatcom Mountain Bike Coalition which we support but applies to all recreationists.


"There are currently 137 miles of road open to the public in the Upper Nooksack corridor. Like the majority of roads in the USFS system, these were constructed long ago for timber harvest along with some mining activities. With the majority of the USFS lands in our area no longer open to timber harvest, the revenues to pay for road maintenance has not been available and the Forest Service’s budgets have been shrinking. On top of their declining budgets, the USFS budget has changed over the past 2 decades where their overall budget to fight fires has gone from 10-15% of their budget and today is more than 50% of their total budget goes towards fire fighting/suppression. This has affected the agency in many ways, from trail crew sizes, office closures, road maintenance, general staffing, etc.

Current:

With the heavy rains this winter, there are currently 4 roads washed out: Wells Creek, East Church, Glacier Creek (FS 36) and Canyon Creek (FS 31) Roads. As many know, Glacier Creek and Canyon Creek roads washed out 5+ years ago and were repaired in 2013.

In the winter: Both Glacier Creek and Canyon Creek road closures affect the snowmobile and backcountry skiing user groups as those are the only access points for snowmobilers along the Mt. Baker Highway.

In the summer: The Canyon Creek closure affects mountain bikers and motorcyclists (Canyon Ridge is the only trail open to bikes/ motorcycles along the 542) along with hiking and horse access to Damfino Lakes and Excelsior from this area. It’s worth noting that the WMBC scouted and proposed a large reroute to Canyon Ridge Trail 2+ years ago that would dramatically improve the trail on it’s Western end. The Glacier Creek road closure (via Heliotrope Ridge Trail) affects hikers and mountain climbers as it’s the primary northside route up Mt. Baker for several thousand mountain climbers.

USFS Budget:

Currently, the Forest Service has $12,000 (in total) allotted to maintain their roads for this year. Looking back at the 11 years, the USFS has averaged ~$70,000 per year to maintain roads. To do the bare-minimum level of maintenance on the existing roads, they estimate they’d need $148,000 annually – which would allow the clearing of culverts / drainage ditches along with some brushing and grading.

To repair major washouts like the 4 that have happened this year, the Forest Service taps into USDOT dollars via the Emergency Relief for Federally Owned roads (ERFO) program, but it first needs to determine that it was a considerable “weather event” to be and then it often takes a good deal of time to get those funds to repair these washouts."

My point is that it only takes $150,000 to repair and keep these roads open. This means a lot of business for our foothill communities. And, the opportunity for a variety of outdoor experiences. You can bet I will be contacting the agency to voice my opinion. We have traveled many of these roads. As a child, I picked blueberries and had picnics with my family. As an adult, I hiked those trails that the roads lead to. This is where I want my tax dollars to go. Not to foreign countries, not to a bloated military, not to representatives who feather their own nests. Sorry to get political but $150, 000 is mere tiny grains of sand in our national budget. If I were queen....
 
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