Current Spike in Gas Prices

How are gas prices affecting your travel plans?

  • Makes no difference, I'm hitting the road!

    Votes: 73 78.5%
  • Ouch, I'm staying close to home, shorter trips

    Votes: 17 18.3%
  • My wallet is empty, no trips for me.

    Votes: 3 3.2%

  • Total voters
    93
OutToLunch said:
The injection of the additional purchasing power was a short term issue and mostly spent on durables. That influx is over and does not explain the recent increase in fuel prices. As COVID restrictions have lifted, consumers have shifted their spending to more service sector related products/experiences.
The production costs of that oil you buy today has largely not changed for the large oil companies as the oil was explored and drilled for years ago. The infrastructure to refine and deliver it has built years ago. Trucking costs for that oil has gone up as costs of drivers has increased. Companies that buy on the spot market, i.e. not the large boys, have seen those prices go up for a variety of reasons including shipping problems, war, etc.
Consumer demand for oil is fairly constant regardless of the price and oil companies and others know this. Few people are willing to make lifestyle changes because the price of gas has gone up.
Money doesn't disappear after the initial recipients spend it, it keeps circulating. We currently have at least 3 trillion dollars chasing no added goods and services. Unless governments institute rationing, price determines how scarce goods are distributed.

During COVID obsolete refineries were shut down. With no hope of a return on investment, no upgrades or new ones are planned.
More dollars chasing less fuel = increase in price. Econ 101
 
I reject the notion that producers/sellers of goods suddenly got greedy in the past year to 18 months. If there are actual or pseudo-monopolies at work, why didn't they jack up prices before the past few months rolled around?

As to oil companies and refined fuel prices, additions to production and distribution infrastructure came under attack in January 2021. No new leasing of Federal lands and a de facto freeze on issuance of permits on already leased lands. Threats of an increase in corporate income tax of 33% from 21% to 28% and more recently threats of excess profits tax. The near disappearance of exploration and development expenses goes straight to the bottom line as a "windfall profit" as does increases in revenue from increases in global market prices before and after the invasion of Ukraine. So oil companies are suddenly rolling in the dough but are discouraged from spending it on increasing production from two directions: Stockholder demands for dividend payments rather than continuation of capital expenditures while looking down the barrel of production and distribution roadblocks led to cutbacks in investment in pursuit of production increases. Add the SEC chastising the capital markets in overt efforts to discourage equity and debt investments in the domestic oil and gas industry. Turn up the rhetorical heat, stir, and Viola, supplies are tightened in the face of level demand. The outcome is Econ 101, indeed.

Foy
 
Foy said:
As to oil companies and refined fuel prices, additions to production and distribution infrastructure came under attack in January 2021. No new leasing of Federal lands and a de facto freeze on issuance of permits on already leased lands. Threats of an increase in corporate income tax of 33% from 21% to 28% and more recently threats of excess profits tax. The near disappearance of exploration and development expenses goes straight to the bottom line as a "windfall profit" as does increases in revenue from increases in global market prices before and after the invasion of Ukraine. So oil companies are suddenly rolling in the dough but are discouraged from spending it on increasing production from two directions: Stockholder demands for dividend payments rather than continuation of capital expenditures while looking down the barrel of production and distribution roadblocks led to cutbacks in investment in pursuit of production increases. Add the SEC chastising the capital markets in overt efforts to discourage equity and debt investments in the domestic oil and gas industry. Turn up the rhetorical heat, stir, and Viola, supplies are tightened in the face of level demand. The outcome is Econ 101, indeed.

Foy
Hi Foy

I won't assume to argue any of your points. I am sure you came by them through experience and thoughtfulness. The point I will make, based on personal observations within a major US oil company, all the way up to the corporate boardrooms in Chicago, is the old oil companies are the equivalent of the heavily armored battle tanks of the corporate ecosystem. They are wise, opportunistic, not always agile and absolutely insensitive to the whims of society. They know they have a product that is fundamental to society's proper functioning and contrary to widespread belief, they actually do have a sense that it is their responsibility to make society work properly. Political winds blow one way, then the other, in their view. But they won't allow themselves to be tossed about like autumn leaves. More like rock outcrops.

Kind of like the railroads.

Tony
 
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Yup. Yellow journalism.
 
To quote The Hill article you kindly shared: "As the nation struggles with high fuel prices linked to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, these policies are not expected to rapidly change the situation, given that new energy deployment on public lands can be a years-long process." In my experience in the oil industry and in the permitting process, the changes proposed will take decades to take effect in a measurable way. It is not anything to do with gas prices now or in the next few years.
 
ski3pin said:
Went to town today and saw it is now $6.39
Went to town today and it is now $6.49. I'm not going to town anymore.

A seat of the pants observation from me. From watching the Memorial Day Weekend crowd roll through here and again the weekenders this weekend, the high gas prices have not changed people's driving habits one bit. The roads are packed. Julie and I walk early every morning, many times walking a portion of the route to our local middle school. Parents are still hauling their kids in mass back and forth to school instead of kids walking or using the free school bus service. The few times we are on a freeway/interstate I have not seen vehicles driving slower to get better mileage (as I've always done). Driving habits have not changed at all with higher prices.
 
AWG. I'm sure those are valid points but there is much more going on here than the Russian precipitated war with Ukraine.

Prices had increased almost 60% before the invasion due to American inflation and policies. The invasion has exacerbated the rise in prices.

According to Gas Buddy, the national price for regular on the day the President was installed was $2.09. The price on the day of the invasion was $3.54
 
ski3pin said:
A seat of the pants observation from me. From watching the Memorial Day Weekend crowd roll through here and again the weekenders this weekend, the high gas prices have not changed people's driving habits one bit. The roads are packed. Julie and I walk early every morning, many times walking a portion of the route to our local middle school. Parents are still hauling their kids in mass back and forth to school instead of kids walking or using the free school bus service. The few times we are on a freeway/interstate I have not seen vehicles driving slower to get better mileage (as I've always done). Driving habits have not changed at all with higher prices.
I believe you hit the nail on the head. Prices are set by oil companies and until people start to buy less gas and diesel, there is no incentive by the oil companies to lower their prices. We have met the enemy and he is us!
 
Stray Dog said:
According to Gas Buddy, the national price for regular on the day the President was installed was $2.09. The price on the day of the invasion was $3.54
Stray Dog,

During the first year or more of the pandemic the streets around here were almost deserted. Not much gas or diesel being sold, which drove prices down. Heck, hundreds of thousands of jobs are created each month in the US, which is good for job seekers. At the same time remote work rates are falling. That means lots more people are driving to work. More gas going into more vehicles -- why wouldn't the oil companies raise prices? Heck, I paid over $9.00 a gallon in Furnace Creek in Death Valley a couple months ago. But I chose to do that, so I have only myself to blame.
Tony
 
I’m going to softly object to the insinuation that it is the oil companies that set the prices at what ever they think they can get away with. Oil as we all know is a global commodity and is traded as such.

There are several major factors in play here. First, while I am personally in favor of electrification of the general publics transportation options, it is foolish to think this can be done in a couple of years. The federal government has done all it can to promote this, which is a good idea, but not at the expense of ICE vehicles. The messages started with the denying of the Canadian pipeline permits and has continued. The manufacture of EV’s is not happening quick enough. Although a high percentage of Californians do drive them the rest of the country is not even close and it’s not due to choice it’s due to supply. Listening to the CEO of GM, Mary Bara, spout on about how GM is THE leader in EV production while they only made one in the 4th quarter of 2021 is downright laughable.

Secondly, the invasion of Ukraine and the subsequent sanctions imposed by the EU and US has severely curtailed the flow of Russian oil into the global market just as the worldwide demand of oil is increasing as a result of Covid easing. I believe that Russia was the third (or so) largest producer of oil in the world.

So in summary, we are probably going to be in this phase of high fuel costs for the next year or two at a minimum. Those of us with larger trucks are going to have some personal finance decisions to make ….We are planning on an extended trip to Labrador and Newfoundland later this summer and I would not be surprised to see diesel at $10/gal US in some of the more remote areas we hope to go to.

Off my soapbox now..
 
Stray Dog said:
AWG. I'm sure those are valid points but there is much more going on here than the Russian precipitated war with Ukraine.

Prices had increased almost 60% before the invasion due to American inflation and policies. The invasion has exacerbated the rise in prices.

According to Gas Buddy, the national price for regular on the day the President was installed was $2.09. The price on the day of the invasion was $3.54
I suspect Presidents, any President, doesn’t set global gas prices.
 
smlobx… Newfoundland and Labrador is worth every penny. You won’t regret NFL… Labrador is a rough road but a wilderness opening up. Once the paved road is done it won’t be the same so go for it! NFL is thankfully hard to get to but has so much beauty and the people are terrific.
 
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