Telescopes

Toddhom

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I've been thinking about getting a telescope to bring camping. I know nothing about them. I would want something with decent optics but also something that you can breakdown and store away and a telescope that can handle the rigors of the road. Something in the vicinity of $200 give or take a few dollars more.

Todd
 
Hi Todd,

I worked in an observatory for 8 years and have helped amateurs for many years. I’ve observed through and owned many amazing telescopes. For $200 this would be an excellent choice:

Orion 10015 Starblast 4.5” Reflector $199 on Amazon

With this telescope you’ll be able to see the rings of Saturn and you’ll see some definition on Jupiter, plus lots of other bright Messier objects. But, keep in mind it’s only a 4.5” telescope. Finding objects in the night sky won’t be easy and the optics in this price range will not be optimum.

A telescope in this price range would only be a first step to something much better in the future. Getting hooked on astronomy is hard to avoid when boondocking in the middle of nowhere without any city lights!

A good set of binoculars is also a good way to start for the brightest objects, like the moon and some Messier objects.

Good luck,
Brian
 
For the money you want to invest another option could be a good pair of binoculars or a decent spotting scope. That way you will have a multi-purpose item. In dark skies binos work great, easy to carry, easy to use.

Just my 2 cents:)
 
I use my spotting scope when we are on the road, it works well (mostly checking out the moon)and it's very compact. You'll get performance based on dollars spent, bigger, better lenses cost more but you'll get better light transmission for viewing distant planets. I use a old telescope at home I bought from LL Bean(made by Celestron I think) for about $125 twenty + years ago, it's just to big to lug around in the camper. A reflector type might be easier to pack.
 
Brian G. I would be willing to spend up to $300.00 Would that get me something a lot better? I am also wondering if a tripod mounted base would be better. If I'm camping out in the desert with no table or good place to put a telescope with that kind of mount

Todd
 
Not quite the same, but has anyone done long exposure night shots? I use my telephoto lens. Long exposure. Then can zoom in on the final pic since cameras have such high pixel counts these days, and see some incredible details you'd never see otherwise. It helps my camera has a star tracker feature, which compensates for rotation of the earth for a couple minutes. Uses the image stabilization system to do it.
 
The Horsehead/Flame Nebula was shot with my camera gear piggybacked on a telescope tracking mount. I have a Star Adventurer Tracker, Ioptron makes the Sky Guider Pro tracker.
There are others but those are the only 2 I have tried and I own the Star Adventurer. The trick with them is finding what you want to shoot.... Neowise was pretty easy when it was visible to the eye. Was pretty tricky on some of the later days....

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Here is Neowise. 30 second shot Nikon D500 80-400 @220 on a Start Adventurer

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I too am wondering about this... and what to look for if considering:

1) Used reflector scopes
2) "Good" spotting scopes

Vic
 
Todd,

Moving from a tabletop Dobsonian (refers to type of stand) like the Orion Starblast 4.5 to the same telescope on an equatorial mount with a tripod complicates things considerably. Set up time in the field will take a bit longer with the tripod, may be more comfortable to use, but not quite as stable.

If you really want to explore the night sky a telescope is the way to go, but you'll need to find room for the equipment.

Orion StarBlast II 4.5 EQ Reflector Telescope Kit (will learn what telescope tracting is)

Orion StarBlast 4.5 Astro Reflector Telescope Max Kit (a little 2x2' table will work well with this)

Telescopes are ergonomically designed for looking at the night sky, spotting scopes and binoculars will put you in some neck straining positions that will get old very quickly and will not be particularly stable to look thru.

I have nothing to due with Orion, these telescopes just caught my eye as good beginner telescopes.

My first telescope book was "Night Watch" by Terence Dickinson, tells you everything you need to know about this hobby. as a beginner.

Happy observing!
 
BrianG Where would you step by step to the next levels... any suggestions in the packable but more powerful scopes?
 
Happyjax said:
Here is Neowise. 30 second shot Nikon D500 80-400 @220 on a Start Adventurer

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I have basically that same shot.. Got it completely blind.. I just knew where in the sky it was, set it for a long exposure and hoped for the best. It turned out great!

I'll post one from my last trip out, which happens to be on this computer...
Sorry again for slightly OT, but seems a good place to post a pic of the night sky.
Didn't have my zoom lens or a tripod, so not the best.. But amazing compared to what you see in urban areas.

Really difficult to get a shot w/out a plane or satellite in view....
 

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Vic, near-space stuff (moon, venus, mars, comets, etc.) can be seen quite well with something basic like a Tasco 20-20x60 angled spotting scope (~$100 usd, 3.5-lbs), and does double duty for wildlife viewing in fine form. For enhanced viewing, prices (and quality) go up exponentially from there; as Sagebrush is known to remark: watch your wallet, heh heh.
Rico.
 
The idea of a telescope that is portable and can be used for both viewing the night sky and during the day for viewing wildlife appeals to me. Am I to assume that the night sky viewing suffers when you also want a scope that you can use during the day?
 
I have an old (25 year) Bushnell zoom spotting birding scope which I have used to see the moons of Jupiter etc... I need to find an eye cup for it so in the low light my eye will be covered. Everything is a compromise in a camper weight/space/ ease.... It will do.
 
I have been designing and building telescopes for spaceborne instruments for 45 years. I have been involved in amateur astronomy on and off for decades.

There are a lot of telescopes of various sizes collecting dust in peoples garages because many telescopes are not very portable and are a bit too specialized to use for much else besides stargzing. After the viewing of the panets and the moon and a couple of galaxies wears off they tend to get used rarely due to that lack of versatility and portability.

If you do not aleady have a good pair of 8 x 50 or 10 x 50 binoculars I recommend starting there. Portability, ease of use and versatility are maximized in that range and they can be hand held (anything with more magification must be supported by a tripod). Either of these sizes would give sufficeint light gathering capability to do some star gazing as well as be handy for use on a boat, while hiking bird watching, wildlife viewing, etc..

I recommend buying a good quality pair with at least 15mm eye relief (more if you want to wear your glasses while using them). You will pay over $200 but you will be happier with the preformance than a cheap pair. Canon and Nikon are good brands, Steiner and Bosch & Lomb, even the higher priced Bushnells, are good enough. I see Vortex popping up on a lot of lists as a top pick - I am not familiar with that brand so don't know about the quality. Do some research on quality and shop around.

For a step up from there my recommendation is to get a decent pair of 15x - 20x binoculars and a sturdy tripod (if it is light enough to take hiking it is probably not sturdy enough) that is at least 72" tall (better if 80 " to use while standing). High power binoculars are more versitile than a telescope and can also be used for viewing distant landscapes and wildlife, etc. You can also buy adapters so you can take pictures through your binoculars.
You can buy a decent pair of astronomical binoculars new for under $400 and used for $200 - $300. Like anything else there is a broad range of prices and quality. The cheaper models (under $700 models) will probably have plastic parts (particularly for the eye piece focus) and because they are relatively heavy you will need to handle them carefully but the Optics should be good enough.

Check ebay for used Zuhmell, Celestron, Meade, Orion, and Oberwerk to name a few.

If you decide skygazing and astronomy is your thing you can always buy an astronomical telescope later. You will probably have a better idea of what you want too.

Aperture size and field of view for telescopes are an important consideration depending on what you intend to do.

There are entire web pages devoted to helping beginners get started in the hobby. Below are links to a few of the many sites out there.


https://www.aaa.org/articles/observing-resources-for-amateur-astronomers/

https://www.planetary.org/night-sky/astronomy-for-beginners

https://www.space.com/27775-amateur-astronomy-guide.html



In all events opinions will, of course, vary. ;-)


I hope this is helpful,

Craig
 
I bring a Kowa spotting scope that I also use for High Power rifle matches. All of my cameras, lenses, scopes, and tripods have an Arca-Swiss compatible base so its easy to move gear between disciplines. The eye pieces on the Kowa can be changed for different magnifications so the 25X I use on the High Power line is plenty for moon gazing and can make out the rings of Saturn but magnification is needed to get any definition. This setup is light and versatile enough for bird and other wildlife viewing that it's worth bringing along.
 

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