There is currently a bill in the Utah House that wants to ask Congress to reduce the size of GSENM by 50% http://le.utah.gov/~2017/bills/static/HCR012.html. It doesn't hold any power overall but this is the kind of thing that is making the outdoor industry consider moving their Outdoor Retailer trade shows out of SLC.
Meanwhile in Utah
- Thread starter Cayuse
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Thanks Cayuse,very interesting.We have got to keep these creeps from stealing our
public lands.
Frank
public lands.
Frank
Stalking Light
Feral Grandpa
It seems like Utah is kind of at the epicenter of all these moves.
Captm
Senior Member
More about pulling out of the Outdoor Retailer show.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2017/02/08/patagonia-pulls-out-utah-outdoor-show-amid-bears-ears-national-monument-battle/97634322/
http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/nation-now/2017/02/08/patagonia-pulls-out-utah-outdoor-show-amid-bears-ears-national-monument-battle/97634322/
Stalking Light
Feral Grandpa
I have plans to visit Utah again this spring like I do every year but this time I'll stock up out of state so I spend as little as possible while I'm there. Maybe just a burger or two at Milt's Stop and Eat. 
takesiteasy
Senior Member
I'd rather see them keep the show in Utah and use it to build local political will in the state to protect their public lands. Utah is such an amazing place- a poster child for public lands. Like so many things, people don't appreciate what they have until they lose it.
I'm of the opinion that the only ambassador that Utah political leaders will receive is the Dollar Bill, or rather the lack of it. I don't believe being nice is going to get their attention.takesiteasy said:
I love Utah and Utahans, but I'm not going to reward behavior that takes from the all of the nation.
The OR show isn't what it used to be. Most of the larger companies are showing their lines to key accounts well in advance of the show, in fact pre-season orders are frequently due to these companies before the show dates for best pricing. Where the show is important is for smaller companies that are trying to get their name out and gain traction in the market and for smaller shops that may not be visited by the sales reps before the show.
I think that you will see several other large companies boycott the show, Kuhl and Black Diamond will probably announce soon. I wouldn't be surprised to see many others either scale back their footprint or withdraw altogether because it has become a very expensive endeavor compared to what it was 25-30 years ago when the show was in Reno.
More important will be if companies like Black Diamond, Petzl, backcountry.com and others who are currently headquartered in Utah decide to move out of state and take those revenues/jobs with them.
It will be interesting to watch and see what the industry does but I think the show itself should move from SLC even if it is only a symbolic gesture of solidarity.
I think that you will see several other large companies boycott the show, Kuhl and Black Diamond will probably announce soon. I wouldn't be surprised to see many others either scale back their footprint or withdraw altogether because it has become a very expensive endeavor compared to what it was 25-30 years ago when the show was in Reno.
More important will be if companies like Black Diamond, Petzl, backcountry.com and others who are currently headquartered in Utah decide to move out of state and take those revenues/jobs with them.
It will be interesting to watch and see what the industry does but I think the show itself should move from SLC even if it is only a symbolic gesture of solidarity.
"The American people own these lands—and Utah reaps the rewards. Every year, outdoor recreation in Utah drives $12 billion in consumer spending and supports 122,000 jobs across the state."
The Outdoor Industry Loves Utah; Does Utah Love the Outdoor Industry?
The Outdoor Industry Loves Utah; Does Utah Love the Outdoor Industry?
More attacks on public lands from Utah politicians:
http://www.sltrib.com/news/4919019-155/utah-senate-approves-call-to-shrink
GSENM is one of my favorite places and makes me so sad to see these short sighted pushes to remove it's protections and open it up for mining.
http://www.sltrib.com/news/4919019-155/utah-senate-approves-call-to-shrink
GSENM is one of my favorite places and makes me so sad to see these short sighted pushes to remove it's protections and open it up for mining.
I hope that the Outdoor Retailer Show moves out of SLC and that Black Diamond, Petzl and the like follow them. Colorado values would are much more closely aligned with this industry and maybe this will be a wake up call to Utah politicians.
Kolockum
Still Wandering
Some of these politicians are so set in their ways that I think it will take a massive immediate financial loss to change their mind. I dont think they would notice a slow in tourism or if they did it would blamed on something else.
Knowing the mentality of some of these people the only thing they are going to say is something along the lines of finally got rid of the hippies.
Knowing the mentality of some of these people the only thing they are going to say is something along the lines of finally got rid of the hippies.
Smokecreek1
Smokecreek1
I think it has to do with the water; it blinds them to the natural beauty and potential of their own state and destroys their ability to reason. I don't know how many studies have been done showing how much more money comes to the federal and state governments ,and local economies from recreational activities on public lands when compared to some traditional uses such as grazing and timber sales.. Then there was that famous original study that the Rayguns did in the early 80's that showed recreational activities brought in more revenue than traditional land uses such as timber sales and grazing fees, and were only out preformed by some energy related activities; since it gave them the wrong answer, they did not release the results of the study to the general public. Years later the report was leaked out and today is cited as a basis for the value of recreational activities on public lands..
Smoke
and destroys their ability to reason. I don't know how many studies have been done showing how much more money comes to the federal and state governments ,and local economies from recreational activities on public lands when compared to some traditional uses such as grazing and timber sales.. Then there was that famous original study that the Rayguns did in the early 80's that showed recreational activities brought in more revenue than traditional land uses such as timber sales and grazing fees, and were only out preformed by some energy related activities; since it gave them the wrong answer, they did not release the results of the study to the general public. Years later the report was leaked out and today is cited as a basis for the value of recreational activities on public lands..Smoke
takesiteasy
Senior Member
Chaffetz is having a town hall meeting tonight. Sounds like people are getting organized...
http://www.sltrib.com/home/4918867-155/chaffetz-town-hall-meeting-will-be-packed
http://www.sltrib.com/home/4918867-155/chaffetz-town-hall-meeting-will-be-packed
For anyone who might be attending the town hall tonight Jeremy Collins has put some posters out on a dropbox account.takesiteasy said:
Wango
Contributors
I will be heading to Bears Ears at the end of March. Originally my motivation was to see our new Monument. Now, it will be to try to see it before these short sighted bozo's ruin it. With all of the millions of dollars that folks like us spend there every year, why can't they wake up?
takesiteasy
Senior Member
Sounds like Chaffetz got an earful last night: http://www.sltrib.com/news/4896676-155/crowded-chaffetz-town-hall-meeting-gets-underway
williak
Advanced Member
On the other hand..
You may want to support the locals who are trying to move beyond an economy based on resource extraction.
A boycott makes sense at the state gov level, where the legislature seems to think there is a future in coal, and I hope the OR show pulls out of SLC, as it would deliver a message in terms the power structure understands. Just guessing here, but pretty sure the GSENM boundaries the state wants to "adjust", include the Kaiparowits Plateau, a region with big coal deposits.
Folks that live near GSENM and Bear Ears for that matter, need all the help and encouragement they can get to find another way.
You may want to support the locals who are trying to move beyond an economy based on resource extraction.
A boycott makes sense at the state gov level, where the legislature seems to think there is a future in coal, and I hope the OR show pulls out of SLC, as it would deliver a message in terms the power structure understands. Just guessing here, but pretty sure the GSENM boundaries the state wants to "adjust", include the Kaiparowits Plateau, a region with big coal deposits.
Folks that live near GSENM and Bear Ears for that matter, need all the help and encouragement they can get to find another way.
Today there was a conference call between many Outdoor Industry Leaders and Gov. Hebert. I'm not always a big fan of the OIA (Outdoor Industry Association) but here is their release following that call, sounds like the powers that be in Utah won't budge. Though the effort to shrink GSENM definitely doesn't have local support after the meeting in Escalante night so that is encouraging.
BOULDER, Colo. (February 16, 2017) – Outdoor Industry Association, representing more than 1200 outdoor businesses nationally, including more than 50 in Utah, today held a call with Utah Governor Gary Herbert in an effort to achieve a common understanding of the value Americans place on our public lands and our right to access those lands for recreation.
OIA was joined on the call by the leadership of Patagonia, The North Face, and REI and Outdoor Retailer.
Unfortunately, what we heard from Governor Herbert was more of the same. It is clear that the Governor indeed has a different perspective on the protections of public lands from that of our members and the majority of Western state voters, both Republicans and Democrats – that’s bad for our American heritage, and it’s bad for our businesses. We are therefore continuing our search for a new home as soon as possible.
“Over the last 20 years, Outdoor Retailer has been in Salt Lake City, generating more than $45 million in annual economic impact,” said Amy Roberts from Outdoor Industry Association. “Further, the outdoor recreation economy in Utah adds more than $12 billion in direct spending, supports 122,000 jobs in the state, paying $3.6 billion in salaries and wages, and contributes more than $856 million in state and local tax revenue every year. We believe these numbers and our values will be of great interest to other states in West.”
Roberts continued, “It’s disappointing Governor Herbert and the Utah Congressional delegation are in a different place than Republican and Democratic leaders in Washington, D.C. and across the country. Both President Trump and Interior secretary nominee Ryan Zinke have stated their support for keeping public lands public and accessible by all Americans.
“Outdoor Industry Association will continue to support the efforts of Outdoor Retailer to seek a new home for the trade show.”
Roberts concluded stating, “It is important to our membership, and to our bottom line that we partner with states and elected officials who share our views on the truly unique American value of public lands for the people and conserving our outdoor heritage for the next generation.
For several years, Outdoor Industry Association has worked in good faith with Governor Herbert and Utah’s congressional delegation in an attempt to rectify differences in ownership, management, and the economic importance of America’s public lands.
Despite Utah’s robust outdoor recreation opportunities, elected officials in Utah from Governor Herbert and the state legislature, to its congressional delegation, most notably Representative Bishop, the Chairman of the House Resources Committee, have all actively embraced the idea of transferring America’s public lands to the state. A move, that in many states, has already resulted in the outright sale or restricted access to the very public lands that have provided hunting, angling, hiking, skiing, and camping to generations of people seeking to skirt the urban hustle for the outdoors – a uniquely American experience.
It’s a move that has been widely rejected by voters of all stripes. Public lands have defined America and serve as the backbone of the outdoor recreation economy. For the hundreds of outdoor merchandisers, retailers, guides, outfitters, and other recreation service providers, the transfer or sale of America’s public lands is the loss of the very infrastructure that supports our industry.
About the meeting with Governor Herbert
In addition to the issues outlined below, there is a long history of anti-public land sentiment and action stemming from Utah’s state and congressional officials that has led to this discussion, including votes in Congress to support transferring federal lands to states, pursuit of a lawsuit to try and force the transfer of federal lands to Utah, and most recently a resolution passed by the state legislature and signed by Governor Herbert asking President Trump to overturn the Bears Ears National Monument by Executive Order.
In the call with Governor Herbert, the Outdoor Industry Association requested that his administration reverse its position on four items that have been the source of conflict for OIA members.
First, OIA requested that he revoke any support for the sale or transfer of America’s public lands to the states and cease and legal action to that effect. This was in response to legislative efforts that had passed in the state house and had been championed by Rep. Chaffetz in Washington, D.C. that would have cleared the way or made it easier for states to acquire public lands.
Second, cease on any effort to nullify the Antiquities Act, an authority that grants Congress the ability to designate public lands. Such would be the case if President Trump were to exercise through Executive Order the removal of existing public lands, and a mantra that has been voiced by the Utah delegation.
Third, we provided an opportunity for Governor Herbert to make good on this commitment by halting any support to rescind the designation of Bears Ears area as a National Monument. A proposal that enjoyed wide bipartisan support from Utah voters and the outdoor industry.
Lastly, the Outdoor Industry requested that the Governor embrace and actively support the outdoor recreation economy’s role in the state by supporting the public lands that provide the backbone of the industries sales. OIA shared it’s belief that Utah has the opportunity to change course and grow the outdoor recreation economy for the benefit of the Utah tax base and the local based business that call Utah home.
These requests of the Governor were delivered in good faith on behalf of OIA and its membership, and represent the values of the overwhelming majority of Americans on all sides of the political aisle.
BOULDER, Colo. (February 16, 2017) – Outdoor Industry Association, representing more than 1200 outdoor businesses nationally, including more than 50 in Utah, today held a call with Utah Governor Gary Herbert in an effort to achieve a common understanding of the value Americans place on our public lands and our right to access those lands for recreation.
OIA was joined on the call by the leadership of Patagonia, The North Face, and REI and Outdoor Retailer.
Unfortunately, what we heard from Governor Herbert was more of the same. It is clear that the Governor indeed has a different perspective on the protections of public lands from that of our members and the majority of Western state voters, both Republicans and Democrats – that’s bad for our American heritage, and it’s bad for our businesses. We are therefore continuing our search for a new home as soon as possible.
“Over the last 20 years, Outdoor Retailer has been in Salt Lake City, generating more than $45 million in annual economic impact,” said Amy Roberts from Outdoor Industry Association. “Further, the outdoor recreation economy in Utah adds more than $12 billion in direct spending, supports 122,000 jobs in the state, paying $3.6 billion in salaries and wages, and contributes more than $856 million in state and local tax revenue every year. We believe these numbers and our values will be of great interest to other states in West.”
Roberts continued, “It’s disappointing Governor Herbert and the Utah Congressional delegation are in a different place than Republican and Democratic leaders in Washington, D.C. and across the country. Both President Trump and Interior secretary nominee Ryan Zinke have stated their support for keeping public lands public and accessible by all Americans.
“Outdoor Industry Association will continue to support the efforts of Outdoor Retailer to seek a new home for the trade show.”
Roberts concluded stating, “It is important to our membership, and to our bottom line that we partner with states and elected officials who share our views on the truly unique American value of public lands for the people and conserving our outdoor heritage for the next generation.
For several years, Outdoor Industry Association has worked in good faith with Governor Herbert and Utah’s congressional delegation in an attempt to rectify differences in ownership, management, and the economic importance of America’s public lands.
Despite Utah’s robust outdoor recreation opportunities, elected officials in Utah from Governor Herbert and the state legislature, to its congressional delegation, most notably Representative Bishop, the Chairman of the House Resources Committee, have all actively embraced the idea of transferring America’s public lands to the state. A move, that in many states, has already resulted in the outright sale or restricted access to the very public lands that have provided hunting, angling, hiking, skiing, and camping to generations of people seeking to skirt the urban hustle for the outdoors – a uniquely American experience.
It’s a move that has been widely rejected by voters of all stripes. Public lands have defined America and serve as the backbone of the outdoor recreation economy. For the hundreds of outdoor merchandisers, retailers, guides, outfitters, and other recreation service providers, the transfer or sale of America’s public lands is the loss of the very infrastructure that supports our industry.
About the meeting with Governor Herbert
In addition to the issues outlined below, there is a long history of anti-public land sentiment and action stemming from Utah’s state and congressional officials that has led to this discussion, including votes in Congress to support transferring federal lands to states, pursuit of a lawsuit to try and force the transfer of federal lands to Utah, and most recently a resolution passed by the state legislature and signed by Governor Herbert asking President Trump to overturn the Bears Ears National Monument by Executive Order.
In the call with Governor Herbert, the Outdoor Industry Association requested that his administration reverse its position on four items that have been the source of conflict for OIA members.
First, OIA requested that he revoke any support for the sale or transfer of America’s public lands to the states and cease and legal action to that effect. This was in response to legislative efforts that had passed in the state house and had been championed by Rep. Chaffetz in Washington, D.C. that would have cleared the way or made it easier for states to acquire public lands.
Second, cease on any effort to nullify the Antiquities Act, an authority that grants Congress the ability to designate public lands. Such would be the case if President Trump were to exercise through Executive Order the removal of existing public lands, and a mantra that has been voiced by the Utah delegation.
Third, we provided an opportunity for Governor Herbert to make good on this commitment by halting any support to rescind the designation of Bears Ears area as a National Monument. A proposal that enjoyed wide bipartisan support from Utah voters and the outdoor industry.
Lastly, the Outdoor Industry requested that the Governor embrace and actively support the outdoor recreation economy’s role in the state by supporting the public lands that provide the backbone of the industries sales. OIA shared it’s belief that Utah has the opportunity to change course and grow the outdoor recreation economy for the benefit of the Utah tax base and the local based business that call Utah home.
These requests of the Governor were delivered in good faith on behalf of OIA and its membership, and represent the values of the overwhelming majority of Americans on all sides of the political aisle.
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